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the food reliable might been forever

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the Army Air Forces has announced that

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applying their type is found and is now

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year

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poor the masses

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um and I did today's Wednesday March 27

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279 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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john greenwald is here the black vaults

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now tonight we got a lot of stuff that

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we're gonna cover with John and first

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off his announcement tonight of his new

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book it is called inside the black vault

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great name

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we're also gonna get into his latest

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research and document disclosure and

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dumb pige that he does over at the black

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vault one of the great websites I have

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said many many many many times over the

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years the black vault is the reason to

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have the Internet and I truly mean it

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I'll never forget when I first

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discovered it and I just thought home

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man you know it was like mission

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impossible I'm waiting for my computer

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to start catching on fire there's no way

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that this could be allowed the black

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vault great name too by the way because

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it is just that so we're gonna go

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through everything tonight with John and

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I love it when he's on the show somebody

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that I have held up in high regard and

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respected over the years and it is such

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an honor to to have him as a guest on

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this show for all of you okay so let's

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enjoy the moment tonight john greenwald

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is here tomorrow night is fate or night

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it is Thursday open lines all night long

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now I got you know I forget

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I do forget that I've got this camera on

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me I mean I you know I've chosen to it's

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all of you and I get that this is a

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radio show and and I and I forget that

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it's here and you guys are so quick on

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the screen grabs of what's going on in

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that video camera catching me on the

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phone as the don't you want to know who

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though I love it I love it let me you

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shoots radio just get that out of the

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punch so I'm going to retweet that right

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now it's classic there you go alright

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don't worry I don't remember when I met

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John okay because two memories popped in

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my head one was John being on a panel at

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contact in the desert with me so there

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was that but then there was the MUFON

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day long I'm uh so glue that meeting

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I don't you guys should look that up

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what came first Greenwald at contact in

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him maybe he'll remember he's probably

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got a [\h__\h] better memory than I do

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you guys are gonna have some questions

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it is right up in front of me email is

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com and I'm

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going to continue the tradition here of

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saying every single day now these are

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the craziest headlines in in history and

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the hell happened today just what an

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let's get to all the breaking news let's

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I gotta I gotta hit this River moon

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coffee today the UK Parliament rejected

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all eight alternatives to Prime Minister

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Theresa Mayes brexit plan with eight

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consecutive no votes and that's a no no

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watched it I actually watched that thing

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go down live and the pandemonium

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afterwards that was great

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TV that was amazing TV so what happens

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nobody knows nobody knows I can tell you

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this they want another vote on April

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Fool's Day Monday April 1st and we'll

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see if that happens but I'm starting to

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feel it I'm starting to feel it I don't

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going anywhere I don't think they're

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leaving the EU also today it was

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announced for the first time a super

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telescope has revealed a complex

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atmosphere on an exoplanets remember

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okay these are headlines the observation

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revealed a planet-wide storm where

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clouds of iron and silicates stay in

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motion four telescopes at the European

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that's right remember that Earth is

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four-and-a-half billion years old

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so this is a mighty fresh fresh planet

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it's one of three planets around the

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star hr7 8799 and the closest to its

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host star the researchers believe that

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it takes between 40 and 50 years for the

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planet to make one orbit around its star

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now I'm happy that they did this and I

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can't believe we have the technology to

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look at the atmosphere of an exoplanet

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light-years from Earth and if we can do

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that 130 130 light-years away what would

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we see at Alpha Centauri right Proxima B

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but we've got to turn those telescopes

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in that direction also announced today

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Boeing unveiled an overhaul today to a

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software system and the pilot training

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of its 737 max eight plane it's the most

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direct attempt to fix an element of the

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plane's original design that

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investigators believe have led to the

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two recent crashes of the Boeing Max

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eight and that's right we shall see it's

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that boeing has accepted responsibility

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here yeah what does that open up the

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door to and another huge announcement

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New Zealand Prime Minister Jess inda our

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durn said that all military-style

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semi-automatic weapons in the country

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all assault rifles all high-capacity

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magazines all modifications to said guns

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anything that makes anything

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automatic will be banned from the

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country in totality all of this

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following the mass shootings of the two

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mosque in Christchurch incredible now

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be dealt with on this but she expects

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everything to be passed in the next two

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weeks that's it and the list that she

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unbelievable

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everything everything crazy now another

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huge announcement today Rachel Maddow

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okay Rachel you know glasses her nightly

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news show has slipped from number one in

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cable news to number six that's right

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all this happened since Special Counsel

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Friday hemorrhaging a half a million

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Rachel unbelievable everybody at her

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network MSNBC nothing's going on nothing

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to see here everything is fine and you

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know what the response was too

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to to the to the death spiral in viewers

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we got the 2020 elections coming up

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there's gonna be plenty of stuff to feed

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on we're gonna be just fine

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that was the response absolutely

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incredible you got to be careful and not

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saying anything directly directed at

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Rachel I'm saying this to everybody out

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there we've seen a lot of talking heads

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and show hosts and stuff that have taken

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you know you walk that that very thin

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line and you go out there do you take

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the chances and you roll the dice and

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you sensationalize you've got to be

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careful you've got to be really really

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careful especially when you're dealing

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with those kind of numbers but that's it

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in less than a week and we'll see if

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she'll start to recover that's what's

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interesting now so right before the show

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huge breaking news a federal jury has

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now awarded eighty million dollars to a

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California man after determining that

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Monsanto's popular weed killer roundup

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was a substantial factor in causing his

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liable that was just released now right

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before the show I I forgot to mention

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this because it broke on over the

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weekend last week after the show so I

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didn't get a chance to get to it but LA

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County Los Angeles County has banned

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roundup that's right and when you think

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about nobody I don't care who you are in

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Southern California nobody here does

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yard work right we have gardeners and

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they are everywhere every single day

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every morning the army of trucks heads

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out and it's cool it's it's great it's

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landscapers out there and and and we

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don't do yard work but there's a lot of

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round

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that was being sprayed here and it is

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now banned in Los Angeles County I can't

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speak for the rest of the state but LA

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which never never is first in anything

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was the first to step up and ban roundup

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here in California all right let's get

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crackin happy birthday to today Quentin

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Tarantino is the double nickel yep

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Quentin Tarantino is 55 years old today

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he's got a

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new film coming out it's called Once

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Upon a Time in Hollywood and it's got

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Brad Pitt and DiCaprio but also features

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Bruce Lee yeah it's coming out in May I

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cannot wait for that once upon a time in

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Hollywood also today Fergie is 43 years

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old and Nathan Fillion Nathan Fillion

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remember Nathan today he's 47 starred in

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the TV series Firefly that was canceled

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and shouldn't have been we all know that

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now and then after a fan supported drive

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they didn't get the series rebooted but

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they did get a movie made and it's

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called serenity it's amazing too as well

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serenity the the movie I don't know what

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you I don't know I don't know which

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one's better which one's better this

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series Firefly or the movie you know

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serenity about Firefly I don't know I

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don't know I like them both I can vote

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that's a coin toss what do you have to

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say tell me in Twitter right now what's

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better serenity or Firefly Nathan

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Fillion today is 47 all right on this

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day in history 1990 you gotta love the

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CIA man 1990 TV Marty begins

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broadcasting in to Cuba

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that's your right probably from a

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freighter off shore maybe from Florida

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and it was another failed attempt to

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undermine the regime of Cuban leader

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Fidel Castro by the United States and

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the first days broadcast on TV Marty

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though that programming included the

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World Series right baseball music videos

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and replays

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of Kate and Allie this sitcom and there

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you go OTB out of the same history fader

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fact check this out

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now this is this is vetted this is

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vetted you gotta listen to this 14-year

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old Garrett Blanc that's his name

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Garrett Blanc survived a direct hit by a

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meteorite as it moved to earth at more

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than 30,000 miles per hour he was on his

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way to school when the pea sized ball of

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light bounced off of him leaving a foot

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wide crater in the ground in a three

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inch scar on his hand and that is your

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fader fact he got lucky

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he got lucky hit his hand unbelievable

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tonight John Greenwald is here I'm gonna

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announce his new book it's called inside

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the black vault and we're gonna talk

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about all of his latest research coming

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on the heels of what happened yesterday

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when our Vice President Mike Pence

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announced that the United States is

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going back to the moon and plans to land

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astronauts within the next five years

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the nation has been shooting for a 2028

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lunar touchdown but according to pence

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that is just not good enough

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and he said this during the fifth

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meeting of the National Space Council

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the NSC which he chairs by the way and

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he said you know hey we're better than

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that so it is now the official policy in

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the United States to return astronauts

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to the surface of the Moon by 2024 now

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apparently they want to invoke a new

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21st century space race with China and

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Russia and China and Russia have been

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landing on the moon with without men

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allegedly don't know but we've got a

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bona fide space race in front of us and

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it reminds me of the 1960s and it's kind

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of exciting because no nobody has set

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foot on the moon allegedly since NASA's

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Apollo 17 mission

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and that was in December of 1972 I want

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to remind everybody I don't have to

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this is 2019 now the United States is

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now committed to stay

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according to pence he's saying that this

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everything involves establishing a

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permanent base on the lunar surface and

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developing the technologies to take

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American astronauts to Mars and beyond

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end quote

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that base will likely be built near the

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moon's South Pole that's right because

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there's water and lots of it that's

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right in all of those shallow shadowed

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craters the annecy which helps steer

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this and streamline the nation's space

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policy will recommend today that NASA's

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next crewed surface mission target that

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region the vice president acknowledged

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that the aggressiveness of the 2024

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timeline but he stressed that it is

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totally achievable citing how we pulled

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it off with Apollo 11 in 1969 after

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announcing 12 years before the dawn of

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the Space Age so what's really going on

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here

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are we actually down I need I need

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everybody to think about the enormity of

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what was announced yesterday combined

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with everything else that I announced to

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you every single day right

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think about this we together this

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audience are gonna watch Americans

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astronauts on the moon soon five years

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is gonna go by in a blink a blink we are

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gonna see all of the testing we've got

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all of the the crew capsules that are

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going to get tested all of the rockets

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we're gonna do test flights to the moon

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man and unmanned yeah and then on the

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moon by 2024 in his 2019 we're almost

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halfway through 2019 right it's April

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think about that for a second it's

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absolutely incredible tonight John

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Greenwald

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is on the show we are going to be

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talking about the black vault and his

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new book inside the black vault we're

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gonna break all of that down and of

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course he is always doing his run-ins

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with the CIA and all the other

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three-letter agencies getting his

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document dumps on the UFO enigma and and

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everything else that is around it so

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we're gonna discuss his latest research

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tonight too as well this is fade to

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black I am your host Jimmy Church email

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is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com of

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course you can follow me on twitter @jj

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at black vault comm all right I'll be

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follow me right now on twitter @ JT

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why he chose that or Twitter but he did

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his reach the recent documents and and

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revelations about different subjects

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that he has been getting into lately

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like a tip and of course the DIA and tea

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tsa is gonna be in there too as well I'm

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sure I don't know how we're gonna avoid

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that subject but John began researching

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the inner workings of the US government

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all the way back in 1996 at the age of

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15 he targeted such groups as the CIA

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00:35:03,060 --> 00:34:59,950
don't ask me why the FBI the Pentagon

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Air Force Army Navy NSA dia countless

643
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:05,950
others Greenwald utilized the Freedom of

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Information Act to gain access to

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00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:10,570
thousands of records he accumulated an

646
00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,190
astonishing number of documents on

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topics related to UFOs the JFK

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assassination chemical biological and

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nuclear weapons we're going to talk

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00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:20,890
about that tonight and top-secret

651
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:24,130
aircraft Greenwald named his online

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archive the black vault that's right his

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00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:30,430
teenage project turned into the largest

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private online collection anywhere in

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the world with millions and millions of

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pages of material and at the age of 21

657
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Greenwald published his first book

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beyond UFO secrecy and he did that in

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2002 it was later put into a second

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expanded edition and was republished by

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galled oppress in January 2008 I would

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like to welcome back to fade to black

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John Greenwald John good evening man how

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are you good evening I'm good I'm good

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:01,960
it's good to be back yeah it's great to

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have you

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and you know I don't know if you heard

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00:36:10,610 --> 00:36:08,430
the intro to the show but I did okay and

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thank you by the way and I'm afraid I'm

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not gonna live up to that yeah but but

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:15,870
but when did we first meet alright I

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have an answer for you because I looked

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it up cuz I didn't know I'm getting old

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days okay uh so in person we knew each

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other

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more but the first in-person meet and I

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don't know when we first met prior to

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this but in 2015 the MUFON symposium oh

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00:36:42,590 --> 00:36:39,780
2016 was contact in the desert okay

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00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:42,600
sorry yeah no do you recall when I ran

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into you

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00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,090
so I started texting you at contacts

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because I you look like you were in an

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in-depth conversation and I just wanted

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to see if you'd check your phone it was

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00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:55,980
just one of those things that I wanted

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to see okay so now okay so then then I I

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00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:05,430
remember this moment you were at the bar

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by yourself

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you know because you were working and

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and so apparently in between introducing

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people you go down to the bar and have a

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drink and I think that's what you're

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doing and I walked out I walked up to

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you and said hey John can I buy you a

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drink and you and I stood at the bar for

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I don't know probably fifteen minutes a

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00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:37,980
half hour or so and and that was the

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first thing but I was so nervous man I

700
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:43,320
remember that I was just like I it's

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John Greenwald he's right there and and

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00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:51,150
it's it's really true so and and the

703
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:54,720
reason for that is this is I along with

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so many others John have spent I have

705
00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:04,380
spent countless days combing through the

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00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:07,700
black vault and and I used to just

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:10,710
anticipate me getting home when I could

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00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:13,650
jump on the computer and and get over to

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00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,210
the black vault because

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00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,220
you were posting stuff and it was

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constant and it was new every time he

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00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,690
posted something that was fresh it was

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there and I didn't know your age and I

714
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:27,990
didn't find that out too much later that

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00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:29,849
might have freaked me out a little bit

716
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:33,540
but but but I spent so much time there

717
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:36,390
and there were two websites back then

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00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:43,670
it was the black vault and UFO mind what

719
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:45,750
the one that was done out of Las Vegas

720
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:50,099
oh yeah there was yeah that's going back

721
00:38:55,579 --> 00:38:52,950
away that wasn't my site but yeah that

722
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,589
that was definitely a pretty big website

723
00:38:59,839 --> 00:38:57,720
back in the day wow I forgot about that

724
00:39:02,990 --> 00:38:59,849
that's right which is now which is now

725
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:03,000
kind of defunct and no longer around I

726
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:05,250
don't think no it may be archived

727
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:07,890
there's there's archived versions of it

728
00:39:13,549 --> 00:39:11,010
but I that was you know it was the black

729
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:13,559
vault and UFO mind that those were my

730
00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:16,980
resources back then and and I've said it

731
00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:19,880
so many times you know the black vault

732
00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:22,829
especially when it kicked off was the

733
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:25,470
reason to get the internet you know it

734
00:39:30,049 --> 00:39:27,420
was such an amazing resource for

735
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:30,059
everybody did you did you understand

736
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:33,420
back then at your age the impact that

737
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:34,980
the black vault had on this community

738
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,220
and how many people were there

739
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,260
no to be blatantly honest with ya I mean

740
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,720
I when I started it at 15 I mean I

741
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,760
couldn't even afford a scanner you know

742
00:39:50,539 --> 00:39:47,760
to get the documents into an image form

743
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,549
right and to be honest it was 1996 so

744
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:53,579
HTML was not to be geeky but it was very

745
00:39:59,839 --> 00:39:57,270
much in a somewhat infant stages PDFs

746
00:40:02,809 --> 00:39:59,849
were not even that common you know at

747
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:02,819
the time and so I was literally typing

748
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:04,619
them in by hand and I didn't know if

749
00:40:11,299 --> 00:40:07,049
anybody was reading it and I got a

750
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:11,309
private donation to buy a scanner so I

751
00:40:15,289 --> 00:40:13,049
knew at least one person was paying

752
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,299
attention because this gentleman came

753
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:18,240
out of nowhere and he I mean he really

754
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:19,859
deserves a thanks and he didn't want any

755
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,890
credit or anything but but he came out

756
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:24,599
of out of the blue and just said hey

757
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,970
I've been watching you since you started

758
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,040
and I was only around for a few months

759
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:31,260
and I was 15 years old and he believed

760
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:32,970
in me and he gave me money to buy a

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00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:36,120
scanner and and that was it I mean I

762
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:38,250
just kind of went from there and I mean

763
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:40,890
I think I I think I jumped out on typing

764
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:43,770
in by hand at about 300 pages right and

765
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,110
that's what I had online and now I'm

766
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:48,780
over 2 million pages scanned you know I

767
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:51,720
don't type them anymore but it you know

768
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:54,180
it has changed a lot and the answer go

769
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:55,560
back to your question and answer it I

770
00:40:59,720 --> 00:40:57,570
had no idea and I still kind of have no

771
00:41:02,000 --> 00:40:59,730
idea I mean I see numbers and stuff and

772
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:02,010
kind of scratch my head going do people

773
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:03,810
care you know do they really want this

774
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:06,630
stuff but but right now I mean the site

775
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:08,730
serves about fifteen to twenty thousand

776
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:11,160
people a day if not more and so

777
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:12,510
obviously people are paying attention

778
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:14,790
and and they want the they want the raw

779
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:16,650
stuff they want the documents they want

780
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:19,170
the evidence that they can hold and feel

781
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:22,170
and and so on so you know my insecurity

782
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:23,850
comes around a little bit and goes ah no

783
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:25,290
one really cares and then I look at the

784
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:27,390
numbers I go wow a lot of people care so

785
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,010
it's a good feeling to see those numbers

786
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:32,010
is there a difference between what an

787
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,790
adult would do you know an adult uses

788
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:39,060
you know caution and reason when they

789
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,070
make decisions as opposed to a

790
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,440
fifteen-year-old that's going and poking

791
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:46,800
a red-hot stick in the in the high of

792
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:50,190
the bear when you talk about you know

793
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:53,130
these different agencies where you're

794
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:56,010
instigating things would you do the same

795
00:42:03,380 --> 00:41:59,640
thing today would you go and and be on

796
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:03,390
the cia's hit list you know the FBI but

797
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:07,770
you know yeah I I would absolutely do if

798
00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:08,910
you're asking if I do it all over again

799
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,070
absolutely what I recommend anyone else

800
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:14,040
to do it you know it's it's I told

801
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,630
myself when I was really young don't get

802
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:18,240
paranoid don't get spooked and and you

803
00:42:22,580 --> 00:42:19,590
know just know that you're doing

804
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:22,590
something that is my legal right because

805
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:23,790
there's a lot of people that get ultra

806
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:26,040
paranoid you know and I never wanted to

807
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:29,610
fall down that that route and and I feel

808
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:32,370
strongly and after 22 years I haven't

809
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:35,070
but but caution and concern for that

810
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:36,690
when I was fifteen is a lot different

811
00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:37,980
now

812
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:40,829
while I'm a lot older and with with kids

813
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:43,050
now two kids have a five-year-old and

814
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:47,010
now a five month old daughter and so my

815
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:48,599
son and my daughter you know what I tell

816
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,460
them and recommend at age fifteen to

817
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,839
start hammer in the government for

818
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,960
secrets probably not you know even

819
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:56,160
though it's legal and even though it's

820
00:43:01,339 --> 00:42:59,640
fine I there's a line there when you're

821
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:01,349
fifteen and doing it versus when you're

822
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:03,210
a dad and telling a fifteen year old to

823
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:05,430
do it sorry right I think when I when I

824
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:07,890
started I didn't have concern I didn't

825
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:11,010
have caution I just went full bore you

826
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,079
know horns out let's see what we can

827
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:15,240
find out let's go for it and I didn't

828
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:17,490
really worry about a thing what do you

829
00:43:22,819 --> 00:43:20,570
do about it's one thing to get documents

830
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:22,829
directly from the government through the

831
00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:24,750
Freedom of Information Act you know at

832
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:28,550
that point it's guaranteed to you know

833
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:31,980
virtually guaranteed to be legit right

834
00:43:35,810 --> 00:43:33,690
it's gone through at least a vetting

835
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:35,820
process and an archive and assigned a

836
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:40,440
number as opposed to somebody sending

837
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,890
you stuff right what do you do with that

838
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,380
and how do you vet the stuff that must

839
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:49,619
come into you on a daily basis from an

840
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:53,490
unverified or unvetted source yeah it's

841
00:43:58,579 --> 00:43:56,329
hard there you know people come and

842
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,589
approach this topic from different

843
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,319
angles my angle has always been the

844
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,000
official government documents and I've

845
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:04,920
always said something that confuses some

846
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:07,170
people but I mean it wholeheartedly and

847
00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:10,470
that the documents don't lie now the

848
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:12,869
content therein could absolutely be a

849
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:15,300
lie but what I mean by that is when I

850
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,369
say something when I come forward with a

851
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,280
either an opinion or an interpretation

852
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:22,680
it's backed by what the US government

853
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,800
gave me and so there's evidence to hold

854
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:28,260
and to get yourself and to verify what

855
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:30,750
I'm saying now they're in whether it be

856
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:33,740
a document or a report or a letter

857
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:36,030
obviously they could be lying to me and

858
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,950
have proven them in lies I mean that's

859
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:40,079
what the new book inside the black vault

860
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:42,060
is all about where I just dive into the

861
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,910
UFO phenomenon and try and show what the

862
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:46,680
government has given me what they've

863
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:49,500
said does it contradict does it coincide

864
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:50,470
and

865
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:55,330
word but other people like the

866
00:45:01,080 --> 00:44:58,290
whistleblower angle and that that for me

867
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:01,090
muddies the water in the sense that you

868
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:05,310
might have a couple very honest sincere

869
00:45:10,650 --> 00:45:07,990
and truthful whistleblowers that have a

870
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:10,660
story to tell the problem is they're

871
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:13,990
like two percent maybe at best of the

872
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:15,700
grander picture because I can tell you

873
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:18,490
in 22 years I've either been contacted

874
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:21,460
by people gotten letters emails physical

875
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:24,010
snail mail or have seen other

876
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:26,770
researchers get contacted by the same of

877
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:28,750
people with these wild outlandish

878
00:45:34,349 --> 00:45:31,450
stories and how can you verify it and

879
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:34,359
for me the way I approach it which I'm

880
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:35,530
not saying is right or wrong it's just

881
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,750
the way I approach it is that I need to

882
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:40,000
have something else to verify that and

883
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:42,580
there's a journalistic standard which I

884
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:44,320
don't claim to be a journalist I never

885
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,810
have but there's a journalistic standard

886
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,700
that I've tried to adopt that if

887
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:51,280
somebody tells me x y&z that there

888
00:45:55,530 --> 00:45:53,170
should be something else in the form of

889
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:55,540
something a document a letter a press

890
00:46:00,570 --> 00:45:58,210
statement something that confirms XYZ

891
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,580
right and we have to challenge that and

892
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,560
so when you have these people that are

893
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:04,240
emailing you and they're saying you can

894
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:06,940
call me agent X and you know I have a

895
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:09,609
story to tell but there's no way to

896
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:11,890
verify it for me the way I approach the

897
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,230
topic I got to put it aside do I take it

898
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:16,480
seriously of course am i interested of

899
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:18,790
course but I can't you know I can't

900
00:46:23,310 --> 00:46:22,150
verify every agent X out there because

901
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:23,320
if you believe them all they all

902
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:24,490
contradict each other

903
00:46:28,770 --> 00:46:26,260
you know so that makes it even more

904
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:28,780
challenging so so my forte is I've

905
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:31,060
really just stuck with with documents

906
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:33,400
and I'm not saying the FOIA is end-all

907
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:33,880
be-all

908
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:36,430
you know I'm when when I am criticized

909
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,380
for for some of the opinions that I've

910
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:40,000
posed or some of the stuff that's put

911
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:41,800
out there people think that I just put

912
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:43,990
all the weight into the into the FOIA

913
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:46,630
and responses by the government that

914
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:48,070
can't be farther from the truth I'm a

915
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,930
lectured for 20 years and if you've ever

916
00:46:54,839 --> 00:46:52,480
sat through it you'll know that I use

917
00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:54,849
the FOIA documents to prove the lies and

918
00:47:00,480 --> 00:46:57,790
to prove the misconceptions and to prove

919
00:47:02,099 --> 00:47:00,490
the misleading of the public so I'm not

920
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:02,109
really sure where that criticism comes

921
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:02,500
from

922
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:05,050
but but often if I don't come out with

923
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:08,290
something that somebody believes then

924
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:09,580
they have to attack and that's usually

925
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:11,710
what they go to and that's obviously you

926
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:13,390
know not how I feel and that's what what

927
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:15,790
really the book is about is to go into

928
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:18,880
those details so I as a investigator I

929
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:22,180
separate the two some people don't some

930
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:23,710
people hate the government stuff and

931
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:25,330
they you know they don't care about the

932
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,580
Foyet they don't think it works they

933
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:29,200
want the whistleblowers and they've put

934
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:31,090
more weight in that and that's great if

935
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:32,320
that works for someone else

936
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:34,840
I just approach this from something of a

937
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:37,030
more hardcore angle that I need

938
00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:39,820
verifiable evidence everything is a

939
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:42,369
piece to the puzzle and and and I'm sure

940
00:47:46,859 --> 00:47:43,950
you would agree with that we need to

941
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:46,869
constantly if somebody's got a chip

942
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:49,330
throw it in the pile right let's let's

943
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:53,410
look at all angles and what I wanted to

944
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:56,830
ask you have you ever is are there any

945
00:48:03,930 --> 00:47:59,410
documents online that are not Freedom of

946
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:03,940
Information Act in my archive no now I

947
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:06,010
do have a separate archive with case

948
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:08,290
files where people were sending me UFO

949
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:11,920
reports and other type of you know other

950
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:14,109
type of experiences that they've had and

951
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,180
so I created a whole nother database and

952
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:17,920
now there's thousands of cases in that

953
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,830
so those aren't FOIA material but when

954
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:22,720
it comes to the archive when it comes to

955
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:25,240
the documents all of that I obtained

956
00:48:32,849 --> 00:48:29,130
myself very few exceptions are people i

957
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:32,859
150 percent trust and they are either

958
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:35,230
thanked for the material because I love

959
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,520
to give credit where credit is due

960
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,380
and there are some that have wanted to

961
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:40,960
remain anonymous but the documents are

962
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:43,660
obtained - through the Freedom of

963
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:47,230
Information Act to them that's less than

964
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,990
1% of the 2 million pages but I do have

965
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:52,960
some of that archived as well but it is

966
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:54,220
all straight from the government no

967
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:55,780
leaked material no whistleblower

968
00:49:00,000 --> 00:48:58,390
material no nothing it is when you're in

969
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:00,010
the government document archive it is

970
00:49:05,099 --> 00:49:02,290
100 percent through for you let's do

971
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,109
some rapid fire questions here ok you

972
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:06,880
ready mm-hmm

973
00:49:13,479 --> 00:49:11,050
have UFOs has et visited planet Earth in

974
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:13,489
the distant past

975
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:19,319
hundred years or doesn't matter it

976
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,930
doesn't matter I would say evidence

977
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:26,400
supports it but I'm not ready to say yes

978
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:33,569
are we being visited today I would say

979
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:35,849
that most of the evidence points to that

980
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:38,390
as the most logical explanation

981
00:49:50,589 --> 00:49:43,680
does the government have contact with et

982
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:50,599
I would lean towards no why

983
00:49:56,779 --> 00:49:53,609
well that's not a rapid-fire answer but

984
00:50:00,049 --> 00:49:56,789
I believe that you have to get into an

985
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:00,059
in an intelligence gap between where we

986
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:01,890
are in the 21st century and that if a

987
00:50:05,539 --> 00:50:03,390
being can get here what they care to

988
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:05,549
talk to us and I think that that is a

989
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:08,940
fascinating topic in itself it is a book

990
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:11,970
in itself it's a show in itself you you

991
00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:14,249
you have to really start thinking about

992
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:16,589
the intelligence between two

993
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:18,809
civilizations one that can traverse the

994
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:21,210
Stars and another one that can barely

995
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,910
touch it's you know closest planetary

996
00:50:27,979 --> 00:50:25,619
neighbor right obviously we're branching

997
00:50:29,749 --> 00:50:27,989
out and we may have made amazing strides

998
00:50:32,299 --> 00:50:29,759
in the last hundred and thirty years

999
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:32,309
when it comes to science and cooling

1000
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:34,619
from the ground to the airplanes and and

1001
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:37,079
well above but again that intelligence

1002
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:40,859
gap is so vast would they care to speak

1003
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:42,900
to us and I think that that's a question

1004
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:44,729
that I've struggled with for a long time

1005
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:47,430
I've done History Channel shows based on

1006
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:48,839
that I've done Discovery Channel shows

1007
00:50:53,029 --> 00:50:50,910
based on that as a producer and writer

1008
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:53,039
and when you talk to people that are

1009
00:50:58,009 --> 00:50:55,650
much smarter than I am and you realize

1010
00:50:58,969 --> 00:50:58,019
what you really have to get into and

1011
00:51:02,239 --> 00:50:58,979
you're talking about advanced

1012
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:02,249
civilizations it is an it is a in-depth

1013
00:51:08,289 --> 00:51:06,210
topic so selfishly egotistical II we

1014
00:51:10,969 --> 00:51:08,299
want to think that our government would

1015
00:51:13,759 --> 00:51:10,979
be in contact with them because we're

1016
00:51:15,529 --> 00:51:13,769
that good right we were that important

1017
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:15,539
that an alien civilization will want to

1018
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:17,670
talk to us and make deals with us and

1019
00:51:22,279 --> 00:51:19,950
nuclear weapons are bad so we want to

1020
00:51:24,469 --> 00:51:22,289
save the universe they don't I mean look

1021
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,479
it let's jump ahead and say they're out

1022
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:26,720
there they're intelligent there are

1023
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:28,540
two things that you can immediately

1024
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:31,790
assume about that number one there are a

1025
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:33,470
hell of a lot more advanced than us and

1026
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,090
nuclear weapons are like you know a

1027
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,000
rubberband gun but number two if they

1028
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:39,680
are out there then there's a heck of a

1029
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:42,140
lot more out there right I mean the odds

1030
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:44,390
of there being just one is to

1031
00:51:51,010 --> 00:51:47,090
astronomical the odds of there being

1032
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:51,020
just two civilizations is even you know

1033
00:51:57,730 --> 00:51:54,670
more rare than that so the likelihood of

1034
00:52:00,040 --> 00:51:57,740
there being thousands tens of thousands

1035
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:00,050
or millions of civilizations is at that

1036
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:02,180
point automatically as soon as possible

1037
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:04,550
so then that then supports the whole

1038
00:52:08,050 --> 00:52:06,590
thought process that why would they care

1039
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:08,060
you know they're going to go find

1040
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:09,980
another civilization that didn't start

1041
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:12,830
when humans did they're gonna find a

1042
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:14,810
civilization that started maybe twenty

1043
00:52:18,730 --> 00:52:16,940
thousand years prior to when humans did

1044
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:18,740
because they're a lot more advanced and

1045
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:20,930
they can communicate and trade or

1046
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:23,930
whatever galactic you know group they

1047
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:26,810
want them to join so it is that what I

1048
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:29,180
feel wholeheartedly no but it's a

1049
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:31,460
fascinating topic to dive into and one

1050
00:52:38,829 --> 00:52:35,030
that deserves a lot of thought and we

1051
00:52:41,050 --> 00:52:38,839
have to take ego out of the equation but

1052
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:41,060
as humans it's very hard to we want to

1053
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:42,740
think that if aliens are out there and

1054
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,270
they can get here that they're gonna

1055
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,640
want to come down and plant their alien

1056
00:52:50,859 --> 00:52:49,040
flag and communicate or talk with the

1057
00:52:52,990 --> 00:52:50,869
upper echelons of the government and I

1058
00:52:56,250 --> 00:52:53,000
just I just don't see that happening is

1059
00:53:02,550 --> 00:52:56,260
the government in possession with

1060
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,560
crashed and retrieved alien craft

1061
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:05,359
there's no documentation to support that

1062
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:08,540
but you know there's I think there's too

1063
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:11,990
many stories that surround the Roswell

1064
00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:14,510
events out there and you know I mean I

1065
00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:16,099
started the whole book about Roswell and

1066
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:18,440
how easy it is to debunk you know that

1067
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:20,690
that what I call the company line where

1068
00:53:25,630 --> 00:53:22,520
they want to tell you that there there

1069
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:25,640
was no crash saucer there was no nothing

1070
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:27,710
despite the original reports Roswell is

1071
00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:29,930
well over done but why I deal with it in

1072
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:32,060
the book which goes to your question is

1073
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,490
the fact that they are so blatantly

1074
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:37,640
lying about it you can kind of only

1075
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:39,860
deduce that they probably have wreckage

1076
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:42,110
some kind and it's not the project mogul

1077
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:45,230
balloon that it's probably something you

1078
00:53:50,050 --> 00:53:47,840
know much more interesting alien I'm not

1079
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,060
real sure so that's why I can't really

1080
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definitively say yes to your question

1081
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:53,390
but I think that there's enough

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00:53:58,090 --> 00:53:55,310
documented evidence which I did go into

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00:53:59,950 --> 00:53:58,100
in the book that kind of shows yeah ok

1084
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they shipped wreckage they investigated

1085
00:54:03,550 --> 00:54:02,450
it they contradicted their own reports

1086
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and then over the years they couldn't

1087
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get their story straight you know not

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once not twice not three times of four

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times they change their story and even

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the what I did was in the book is I deal

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with the fourth explanation and then I

1092
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completely destroy it using their own

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documents so I so that's all I use I

1094
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don't say well this whistleblower said

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that or this and that and you go into

1096
00:54:28,510 --> 00:54:26,390
you know files that do say and talk

1097
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:28,520
about wreckage so there's something

1098
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:31,190
there alien I'm not sure but it's

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documented that they had wreckage and

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had it and kept changing their story

1101
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:37,340
about it now that you have done

1102
00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:39,290
everything not only with the black fault

1103
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:41,720
but your work with MUFON over the years

1104
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:45,470
and of course producing and writing so

1105
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,660
many different TV shows it's what you do

1106
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:50,180
with all of this knowledge that you're

1107
00:54:59,050 --> 00:54:53,270
sitting on right now what is your

1108
00:55:01,180 --> 00:54:59,060
favorite case that's one I wouldn't call

1109
00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:01,190
it a case but one of my favorite stories

1110
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:05,960
is the Air Force manual 10-2 0-6 right

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and the reason why that is really at the

1112
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:13,430
top of my list is this showed undeniably

1113
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:15,620
that the United States Air Force

1114
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:17,900
but that same one that is denied UFOs

1115
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:21,590
for a long time claimed in 1969 they

1116
00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:24,880
stopped UFO collecting reports and

1117
00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:26,900
investigating after Project Blue Book

1118
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:30,950
closed my entire research was was based

1119
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:33,920
on really that entire statement that

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00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:37,930
they gave and Air Force manual 10-2 0-6

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00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:42,860
completely destroys their own statement

1122
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:45,350
by stating in black and white

1123
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:48,260
unidentified flying objects and in this

1124
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:50,840
day and age especially in the last year

1125
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:51,890
year and a half

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00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:53,210
there's been a lot of talk that the

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00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:54,950
government the military has changed the

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00:55:58,300 --> 00:55:56,600
acronym or they want to change the

1129
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,310
acronym and they probably would change

1130
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:01,040
the acronym and although that that might

1131
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:04,730
be true to a point this document that

1132
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:06,740
went well into the 2000s right I

1133
00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:10,970
discovered it way back in in 2001 I was

1134
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:12,800
surprised I had kind of triple checked

1135
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:14,090
out when I was writing the book because

1136
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:15,170
I didn't realize it was that long ago

1137
00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:18,530
but I watched this manual get updated

1138
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:20,300
through the years I had lectured about

1139
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:22,610
it but it black and white said that Air

1140
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:26,630
Force pilots had to report unidentified

1141
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:28,850
flying objects or UFOs as they saw them

1142
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:31,460
and went into detail of how to report

1143
00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:33,530
them where to send the reports to and

1144
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:35,660
there was no other acronym there was no

1145
00:56:40,780 --> 00:56:38,630
hiding the the the you know interest in

1146
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:40,790
UFOs it was black and white

1147
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:44,090
there was no semantics it was UFOs and I

1148
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,110
and I you know there's two two ways that

1149
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:49,520
I can approach the story one was the

1150
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:51,950
hunt for the documents but the quicker

1151
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:55,880
part of of this story is when in about

1152
00:57:01,360 --> 00:56:59,210
2000 I forget exactly what year but the

1153
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:01,370
Huffington Post had contacted me and Lee

1154
00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:03,230
Spiegel who was working for Huffington

1155
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:06,080
Post at the time wanted the top five

1156
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:07,910
documents that I got so I gave him the

1157
00:57:11,770 --> 00:57:09,740
top five one of which was this Air Force

1158
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:11,780
manual and it was on the books and I

1159
00:57:16,270 --> 00:57:13,970
showed him how to download it from the

1160
00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:16,280
United States Air Force's website so

1161
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:18,080
even though I had discovered it in early

1162
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:22,190
2000 i as the years progressed and the

1163
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:23,690
document was updated people could go

1164
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:25,340
download it themselves talk about hiding

1165
00:57:29,380 --> 00:57:27,620
in plain sight right and so I showed him

1166
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:29,390
that and he was like he was floored by

1167
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:31,730
it I don't want to speak for him but I

1168
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:33,470
remember that he was just very surprised

1169
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:35,330
that this document was available to

1170
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:37,310
anybody of course I had it on the black

1171
00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:39,500
vault comm but I'm talking about a dot m

1172
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:42,620
il a military server and this thing was

1173
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:45,830
active and he downloaded it and to

1174
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:47,570
summarize the story when he was doing

1175
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:50,330
his article he reached out to the

1176
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:52,070
Pentagon like any good investigative

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00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:54,290
journalists would do sought comment no

1178
00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:57,260
calls back and within about 48 or 72

1179
00:58:03,970 --> 00:57:59,960
hours after his original phone call

1180
00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:03,980
about Air Force manual 10-2 0-6 he had

1181
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:05,360
called me

1182
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:06,980
and went back to the Air Force's website

1183
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:09,110
to download this thing in fact check and

1184
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,630
just kind of finish a story and the

1185
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,240
chapter 5 that outlined UFOs and the

1186
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:16,910
types of reports was gone it was just

1187
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:19,400
completely omitted from what he had

1188
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:22,970
already downloaded just days prior and I

1189
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:24,740
didn't believe it and I went on and sure

1190
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:27,530
enough they rewrote the thing since his

1191
00:58:33,070 --> 00:58:29,690
phone call and you know just days after

1192
00:58:36,790 --> 00:58:33,080
it he rewrites the the air force

1193
00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:36,800
rewrites the manual omits chapter 5 it

1194
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:40,100
now pertains to hurricanes and then

1195
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:42,440
republished Air Force manual 10 - to 0-6

1196
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:45,650
you can't get a more blatant cover-up

1197
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:48,080
than that on your interest in UFOs I

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00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:50,660
mean a national media outlet was about

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to profile it and then they they just

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poof you know now who does who delete it

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00:59:02,890 --> 00:58:58,010
all who do we blame here do we blame Lee

1202
00:59:04,330 --> 00:59:02,900
or you that's our yeah yeah well if

1203
00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:04,340
you're asking me cuz Lee's not here

1204
00:59:10,930 --> 00:59:08,870
let's play Lee no we gotta take a break

1205
00:59:12,130 --> 00:59:10,940
here John we got to take a break yeah no

1206
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:12,140
problem yeah let's do that

1207
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our guest tonight is John Greenwald

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don't worry everybody will pick up this

1209
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conversation where we're leaving off

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right now

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this is fade to black our guest tonight

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John Greenwald the book is called inside

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everybody wants to know who I'm talking

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Church our guest tonight is John

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Greenwald and we are discussing not only

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called inside the black vault and all

1346
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:35,220
you have to do is go to inside the black

1347
01:05:40,790 --> 01:05:39,030
vault comm and you can order the book

1348
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:40,800
right there and I'm sure that there are

1349
01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:42,359
links at the black vault in case you

1350
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:43,080
don't remember

1351
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:45,810
inside the black vault calm and we'll

1352
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:47,730
get everything up on Twitter for

1353
01:05:55,849 --> 01:05:51,780
everyone now John continuing this

1354
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:55,859
discussion and which is you know for me

1355
01:06:02,000 --> 01:05:59,280
when we're talking about the most

1356
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,010
fascinating case and certainly that page

1357
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:04,680
change in the Air Force manual is a

1358
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:09,690
really big deal but going back to the

1359
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:12,210
intro or the first thing that you talk

1360
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:15,180
about in the book which is Roswell your

1361
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:19,050
first image that you have up there is a

1362
01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:24,030
teletype from the FBI and not without

1363
01:06:30,349 --> 01:06:27,960
going into the word-for-word part of

1364
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,359
this but it's right there you state that

1365
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:33,119
on July 1947 the Federal Bureau of

1366
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:35,450
Investigation the FBI was apprised of

1367
01:06:40,790 --> 01:06:38,760
the Roswell situation in this memorandum

1368
01:06:43,580 --> 01:06:40,800
it is said that the debris resembled

1369
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:43,590
that of a balloon however right field

1370
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:45,710
present-day wright-patterson of course

1371
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:48,359
during the course of a phone call did

1372
01:06:58,099 --> 01:06:53,730
not buy that explanation this is is this

1373
01:07:00,380 --> 01:06:58,109
the beginning of a method of operation

1374
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:00,390
not only for the Air Force but all of

1375
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:03,480
the agencies involved on how to start

1376
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:06,900
dealing with not only the UFO question

1377
01:07:11,870 --> 01:07:09,390
and the possibility of crash retrievals

1378
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:11,880
but of course misleading and lying to

1379
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,490
the public is this setting the stage of

1380
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:16,400
how they would handle this

1381
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:20,000
for decades to come I think so I think

1382
01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:21,740
whatever happened in Roswell would

1383
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:23,750
caught him off-guard and and I think

1384
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:25,910
that as the years progressed of let's

1385
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:27,650
say that this was a top-secret program

1386
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:30,410
that they had to cover up and give a

1387
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,210
cover story maybe they'd let the alien

1388
01:07:36,250 --> 01:07:34,160
thing go for a couple of years until

1389
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:36,260
they can finally come come clean with it

1390
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:38,690
I could buy that but this happened in

1391
01:07:44,830 --> 01:07:42,530
1947 here we are in 2019 the last

1392
01:07:47,530 --> 01:07:44,840
explanation they give absolutely doesn't

1393
01:07:50,350 --> 01:07:47,540
make sense and documents like this the

1394
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:50,360
teletype from the FBI start to shed

1395
01:07:56,020 --> 01:07:53,210
light that they internally had no idea

1396
01:07:57,790 --> 01:07:56,030
what was going on right I mean that they

1397
01:07:59,680 --> 01:07:57,800
wanted to pass off the weather balloon

1398
01:08:02,070 --> 01:07:59,690
story and then later you know as the

1399
01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:02,080
years progressed the project mogul story

1400
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:05,000
that in itself is very cool history but

1401
01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:06,890
it just doesn't coincide with when you

1402
01:08:11,530 --> 01:08:09,350
look at these documents the confusion

1403
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:11,540
about what really happened and in this

1404
01:08:14,740 --> 01:08:13,220
teletype it said you know kind of the

1405
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:14,750
public story was a weather balloon

1406
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:17,480
but right field which is now present-day

1407
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:19,730
wright-patterson Air Force Base which

1408
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:22,010
later became the home of Project Blue

1409
01:08:27,340 --> 01:08:24,910
Book on where they were researching UFOs

1410
01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:27,350
it's also the home of the what's called

1411
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:29,390
the foreign technology division so they

1412
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:31,910
were looking at technology that humans

1413
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:34,250
were doing around the world to try and

1414
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:36,230
figure things out to try and understand

1415
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:38,930
it and right field you know morphed

1416
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:40,940
through the years into that so that was

1417
01:08:44,110 --> 01:08:42,290
the place that they had shipped the

1418
01:08:46,780 --> 01:08:44,120
wreckage that's what this teletype

1419
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:46,790
confirms and it shows that right field

1420
01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:49,790
that the personnel at right field did

1421
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,670
not buy the weather balloon

1422
01:08:56,650 --> 01:08:54,560
you know mindset and it even said it

1423
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:56,660
just did after conversations with right

1424
01:09:01,780 --> 01:08:59,330
field that it did not bore out that

1425
01:09:03,580 --> 01:09:01,790
belief of being a weather balloon and so

1426
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:03,590
they shipped a ship the wreckage over

1427
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:05,630
there so those types of documents they

1428
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:09,350
really fuel the confusion and you know I

1429
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:11,570
mean I don't deal with Roswell long in

1430
01:09:16,780 --> 01:09:14,210
the book but for me it is all about the

1431
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:16,790
documents but on top of that it's the

1432
01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:19,730
journey to get them and for me you

1433
01:09:24,190 --> 01:09:22,100
really have to set the stage I know I've

1434
01:09:26,350 --> 01:09:24,200
mentioned it already but to mention it

1435
01:09:27,010 --> 01:09:26,360
again what I call the company line in

1436
01:09:30,190 --> 01:09:27,020
the book

1437
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Roswell serves as kind of the beginning

1438
01:09:36,790 --> 01:09:33,410
of that cover-up and it's the beginning

1439
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:36,800
of them trying to say oh this is a

1440
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,140
problem and not only is it a problem but

1441
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,600
it's a national security risk and that

1442
01:09:46,030 --> 01:09:44,000
paves the way in the project sign and

1443
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:46,040
project grudge and and later Project

1444
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:48,500
Blue Book the three kind of a trifecta

1445
01:09:55,210 --> 01:09:52,250
of UFO research programs from 1947

1446
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:55,220
through 1969 where they analyzed all the

1447
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:58,130
UFO cases and when you look at exactly

1448
01:10:03,430 --> 01:09:59,570
what they did now that these documents

1449
01:10:07,150 --> 01:10:03,440
are out it really gives a picture that

1450
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:07,160
they that they had an intent behind it

1451
01:10:12,130 --> 01:10:08,960
was not a scientific exploration but

1452
01:10:14,530 --> 01:10:12,140
rather they were trying to explain the

1453
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:14,540
material they were trying to explain the

1454
01:10:18,490 --> 01:10:17,030
the documents so the wreckage was just a

1455
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:18,500
weather balloon and then again as the

1456
01:10:22,690 --> 01:10:20,090
years went on they switched that to

1457
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:22,700
project mogul balloon the UFO sightings

1458
01:10:27,070 --> 01:10:25,130
were swamp gas planet Venus you know

1459
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:27,080
whatever cockamamie reasoning that they

1460
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:29,030
could come up with they were they were

1461
01:10:33,130 --> 01:10:30,590
trying to tell the public through the

1462
01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:33,140
40s 50s and 60s that's what it was so

1463
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:34,460
that's what I call the company line

1464
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:36,100
because they really tried to establish

1465
01:10:43,390 --> 01:10:39,830
what it was the phenomena what they can

1466
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:43,400
explain it as and close the book pardon

1467
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:45,230
the pun but they just wanted it to go

1468
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:47,960
away and so I used that in the beginning

1469
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:49,730
of the book as this is what they want

1470
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:52,130
you to believe and this is this is what

1471
01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:54,260
I call the surface story is that they

1472
01:10:59,050 --> 01:10:56,030
want you to believe X Y & Z about

1473
01:11:01,240 --> 01:10:59,060
Roswell Blue Book and UFOs and it and

1474
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:01,250
then case closed and that's it after

1475
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:04,340
1969 they don't care and then as the

1476
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,600
years progressed they tried to explain

1477
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:08,480
Roswell a few more times which they

1478
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:09,620
would have been better served to just

1479
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:11,900
keep their mouth shut what I did in the

1480
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:14,390
book was that is the foundation that

1481
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:17,090
paves the way to nearly every other

1482
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:19,090
government agency that I went to

1483
01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:21,430
especially the intelligence community

1484
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,830
looking for documents after that 1969

1485
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:26,480
date because none of them should exist

1486
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:29,570
and I found thousands of pages that

1487
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:32,060
should not have been there and what I do

1488
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:34,910
in in the the chapters after Roswell and

1489
01:11:39,190 --> 01:11:37,220
then we get into Blue Book but really

1490
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:39,200
just kind of let it tell the story using

1491
01:11:43,959 --> 01:11:41,450
their own documents that I received from

1492
01:11:46,540 --> 01:11:43,969
them and it shows how

1493
01:11:49,509 --> 01:11:46,550
solutely outrageous that foundation that

1494
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:49,519
they tried to give you really is and it

1495
01:11:56,140 --> 01:11:52,010
just crumbles it falls apart the the

1496
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:56,150
issue is not when it comes to Roswell

1497
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,320
and I think that everybody should adapt

1498
01:12:06,759 --> 01:12:03,440
this mindset the issue with Roswell is

1499
01:12:09,879 --> 01:12:06,769
not red headed sergeants or or the

1500
01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:09,889
mortuary or caskets or or you know

1501
01:12:15,759 --> 01:12:13,190
little alien beings or missing nurse or

1502
01:12:18,370 --> 01:12:15,769
whatever the stories are about Roswell

1503
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,380
it's that's not the deal here

1504
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:21,440
what is the deal is that we are talking

1505
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:24,710
about Roswell Army Airfield a nuclear

1506
01:12:30,819 --> 01:12:28,550
installation with covered with not only

1507
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:30,829
secrecy but the most intelligent people

1508
01:12:36,069 --> 01:12:33,260
that we had at that time in the military

1509
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:36,079
in the entire world were right there in

1510
01:12:43,629 --> 01:12:39,679
Roswell that's the fact and if it was a

1511
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,639
weather balloon it's a non-story it's a

1512
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:45,679
completely I would never get out said

1513
01:12:49,209 --> 01:12:46,940
nobody would care about it wouldn't even

1514
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:49,219
get out of Roswell and that includes

1515
01:12:54,939 --> 01:12:52,489
Brazel and and the ranch you know and

1516
01:12:58,629 --> 01:12:54,949
that that fundamentally right there is

1517
01:13:00,609 --> 01:12:58,639
why Roswell is a big deal and I totally

1518
01:13:02,919 --> 01:13:00,619
agree with you that's why everything

1519
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:02,929
starts there and toeing the company line

1520
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:07,369
continues after 1947 that's right and it

1521
01:13:12,729 --> 01:13:10,010
paves the way into again project sign

1522
01:13:16,509 --> 01:13:12,739
grudge and blue book for them to deal

1523
01:13:18,850 --> 01:13:16,519
with the problem because not only was it

1524
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:18,860
again that national security issue where

1525
01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:20,210
these things were showing up where they

1526
01:13:23,950 --> 01:13:20,780
shouldn't

1527
01:13:26,169 --> 01:13:23,960
in 1952 really proved that with UFOs

1528
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:26,179
flying over the Capitol and the White

1529
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:27,860
House and all these very restricted air

1530
01:13:33,729 --> 01:13:29,590
spaces that's a national security threat

1531
01:13:35,229 --> 01:13:33,739
what was also in in my opinion of a

1532
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:35,239
national security threat and we find

1533
01:13:40,779 --> 01:13:37,820
this out in the documents as well is

1534
01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:40,789
that the public was also part of that

1535
01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:43,190
national security threat the interest

1536
01:13:48,759 --> 01:13:46,099
that the public had through the late 40s

1537
01:13:50,739 --> 01:13:48,769
50s and 60s into the UFO phenomena and

1538
01:13:52,930 --> 01:13:50,749
and I do use plural cos people always

1539
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:52,940
yell at me for that I do believe there's

1540
01:13:56,590 --> 01:13:54,650
there's multiple aspects of this

1541
01:14:00,220 --> 01:13:56,600
phenomena so that's why I say phenomena

1542
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:00,230
the that they knew they had to explain

1543
01:14:06,130 --> 01:14:03,760
it they they knew that they had to just

1544
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:06,140
tell the public what they what they

1545
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:08,450
needed to hear and what they needed to

1546
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:10,520
hear was number one it wasn't a national

1547
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:13,370
security threat and that it was easily

1548
01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:15,110
explainable with no signs of it being

1549
01:14:20,380 --> 01:14:18,140
extraterrestrial right that should in

1550
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:20,390
with their intent calm down the public

1551
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:23,090
obviously it didn't because that

1552
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:25,460
interest never went away but the

1553
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:27,850
documents tell a very different story

1554
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:30,380
versus what they were trying to sell to

1555
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:34,310
the public and when you get into some of

1556
01:14:39,010 --> 01:14:36,440
the individual cases where you're

1557
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:39,020
looking at airspace is being violated

1558
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:40,790
that shouldn't be but also demonstrating

1559
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:42,530
technology that we didn't have in the

1560
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:45,050
day and and I researched a lot of that

1561
01:14:50,530 --> 01:14:47,510
technology that we had that was you know

1562
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:50,540
in the into the Project Blue Book cases

1563
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:52,940
and looked at the technology of what we

1564
01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:56,750
had that it was literally decades beyond

1565
01:15:00,940 --> 01:14:58,940
where we were and I'm not talking about

1566
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:00,950
a radar malfunction I tried to focus on

1567
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:03,710
the ones that did have a visual

1568
01:15:08,590 --> 01:15:06,860
observation in addition to radar where

1569
01:15:10,420 --> 01:15:08,600
possible I mean I wasn't in every case

1570
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:10,430
and so that's what I really tried to

1571
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:12,530
highlight was where you have multiple

1572
01:15:15,940 --> 01:15:14,090
and that's where I go back to that

1573
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:15,950
journalistic standard of having multiple

1574
01:15:20,290 --> 01:15:18,290
sources when you can confirm something

1575
01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:20,300
with an electronic device but then on

1576
01:15:23,740 --> 01:15:22,460
top of that a human device so now you've

1577
01:15:25,450 --> 01:15:23,750
kind of solidified that there's

1578
01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:25,460
something going on there and then you

1579
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:27,140
cross-reference that with history and

1580
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,940
you realize that whatever that object

1581
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:31,520
was where you have multiple sources to

1582
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:36,170
confirm it is leaps and bounds beyond

1583
01:15:41,890 --> 01:15:38,510
where we are as humans at that timeframe

1584
01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:41,900
that's pretty amazing in my book so you

1585
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:44,390
can't dismiss that and that's what Blue

1586
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:46,190
Book and the government as a whole even

1587
01:15:51,310 --> 01:15:48,650
years after they have largely tried to

1588
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:51,320
dismiss and when they tried to I'll

1589
01:15:58,660 --> 01:15:55,190
never forget this and I I'm so proud of

1590
01:16:02,080 --> 01:15:58,670
the UFO community they are so smart and

1591
01:16:05,650 --> 01:16:02,090
when I go and hang out and and realize

1592
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:05,660
the amount of history that individuals

1593
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:08,750
know you and I think we know a lot there

1594
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:09,050
are

1595
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:13,010
frightening ly smart when it comes to

1596
01:16:19,090 --> 01:16:17,120
UFO history and in 1997 when Roswell

1597
01:16:20,890 --> 01:16:19,100
case clothes came out I remember I was

1598
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:20,900
sitting in a parking lot in Culver City

1599
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,000
and I got it right and and I was reading

1600
01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:28,880
and I got to the crash dummy explanation

1601
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:31,940
and I sat in my car and I went wait a

1602
01:16:37,450 --> 01:16:35,330
minute that would know that happened and

1603
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:37,460
I thought it was like 1950 right

1604
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:40,610
and I remember racing home in my car so

1605
01:16:46,510 --> 01:16:43,910
I could get onto the Internet to verify

1606
01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:46,520
what I already knew and then I came up

1607
01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:49,580
with the year you know 1949 I went wait

1608
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:53,150
a minute they are clearly not that dumb

1609
01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:56,810
they are trying to assume that

1610
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,090
everybody's gonna go ahhh crash test

1611
01:17:04,660 --> 01:17:01,280
dummies okay it's all done it says this

1612
01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:04,670
is finished they missed it by two years

1613
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:07,430
that was yeah that was operation high

1614
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:12,170
dive and the the the manufacturer the

1615
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:14,060
knowledge the technology of those of

1616
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:17,090
those crash test dummies didn't happen

1617
01:17:22,180 --> 01:17:20,450
for two more years and it was one of

1618
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:22,190
those things where I went and I'm sure

1619
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,170
you did the same thing where I just

1620
01:17:28,450 --> 01:17:26,000
threw up my arms going you know what

1621
01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:28,460
they're lying they're absolutely lying

1622
01:17:33,670 --> 01:17:30,920
right here but you've got something with

1623
01:17:35,650 --> 01:17:33,680
journalistic integrity that everybody

1624
01:17:37,540 --> 01:17:35,660
else can apply to this and go back in

1625
01:17:41,470 --> 01:17:37,550
fact checked why didn't they consider

1626
01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:41,480
that I don't know and I think that it's

1627
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:44,300
it's that kind of very misguided thought

1628
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:46,820
process that if we say it the public

1629
01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:49,220
will buy it and obviously that that's

1630
01:17:53,260 --> 01:17:50,900
not true especially in this day and age

1631
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:53,270
but I think that that they have for

1632
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:55,250
decades meaning the government and and

1633
01:17:59,500 --> 01:17:58,250
politicians or notorious that if they

1634
01:18:00,970 --> 01:17:59,510
say something the public's not going to

1635
01:18:04,540 --> 01:18:00,980
fact-check it they're just gonna buy it

1636
01:18:07,090 --> 01:18:04,550
and you know swallow it and and that

1637
01:18:10,150 --> 01:18:07,100
becomes gospel and it's a very

1638
01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:10,160
inquisitive group of people when it

1639
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:12,260
comes to the UFO community and and

1640
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:15,970
people push for answers and and that's

1641
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:18,800
that's what we all need to do I think

1642
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,530
we've lost a little bit about a wit with

1643
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:22,800
that in the last year

1644
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:26,369
- but I think overall people want to

1645
01:18:30,379 --> 01:18:28,170
know the truth and when you start

1646
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:30,389
putting historically inaccurate facts

1647
01:18:35,419 --> 01:18:33,210
out there when it comes to the Roswell

1648
01:18:36,859 --> 01:18:35,429
report case closed and that's what I

1649
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:36,869
want in that that's the specific

1650
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:39,000
explanation that I go into detail where

1651
01:18:42,740 --> 01:18:41,010
I took their bullet point list in their

1652
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:42,750
executive summary and just blew it up

1653
01:18:48,049 --> 01:18:45,480
you know blew it away using again their

1654
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:48,059
own documents and documented history but

1655
01:18:51,799 --> 01:18:49,409
that's what we need to do we need to

1656
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:51,809
challenge it and say look you guys are

1657
01:18:56,959 --> 01:18:55,320
not giving accurate history here and

1658
01:18:59,120 --> 01:18:56,969
it's your own documents that disprove

1659
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:59,130
what you're trying to say and I think

1660
01:19:04,129 --> 01:19:01,739
that to me especially going back 20

1661
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:04,139
years back as a teenager when I was

1662
01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:07,050
getting into this realizing that there

1663
01:19:11,299 --> 01:19:09,150
were such blatant missteps when they

1664
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,309
were trying to explain things but then

1665
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:12,719
you look at the actual evidence that

1666
01:19:17,839 --> 01:19:15,329
they were giving me themselves that was

1667
01:19:19,339 --> 01:19:17,849
fascinating to me even as a teenager and

1668
01:19:22,069 --> 01:19:19,349
I realized then that I was hooked

1669
01:19:24,109 --> 01:19:22,079
I mean you know Here I am decades later

1670
01:19:27,109 --> 01:19:24,119
and I'm still going at it but it's

1671
01:19:28,669 --> 01:19:27,119
because but it's so blatant you know you

1672
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,679
don't have to really read between the

1673
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:30,960
lines because it's black and white you

1674
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,000
don't need to use least information or

1675
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:36,000
something you found on the darknet it is

1676
01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:39,210
something that they will give you and to

1677
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:42,230
me it's it's shocking the level of

1678
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,489
blatant cover-up to some of these

1679
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:47,040
documents and again those blatant kind

1680
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:49,409
of MIS missteps when they try to explain

1681
01:19:55,370 --> 01:19:54,719
things it's too clear for me to let it

1682
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:55,380
go

1683
01:19:59,299 --> 01:19:57,570
and that's why I've continued to kind of

1684
01:20:02,089 --> 01:19:59,309
push forward and see what else there is

1685
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:02,099
to find don't they well I'm sure that

1686
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:04,409
they realize and I'm talking about the

1687
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:07,530
FBI in the CIA and and the DIA in the

1688
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:12,480
Pentagon that they realize the country's

1689
01:20:19,879 --> 01:20:17,280
interest in the subject you know we're

1690
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:19,889
not going to the FBI website to look at

1691
01:20:27,859 --> 01:20:23,520
JFK or Jimmy Hoffa or Elvis they're

1692
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:27,869
number one searched pages are UFOs they

1693
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:30,570
realize the interest that we have in

1694
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:32,449
this subject

1695
01:20:38,770 --> 01:20:36,320
I think they realize it but again then

1696
01:20:40,959 --> 01:20:38,780
there's these huge missteps that it's

1697
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:40,969
like are you guys do you guys have no

1698
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:45,500
faith in humanity let alone the American

1699
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:46,850
public and I'll give you a prime example

1700
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:50,570
which I went after FOIA documents on a

1701
01:20:58,810 --> 01:20:54,830
tweet that was done by the CIA and they

1702
01:21:03,430 --> 01:20:58,820
tried to essentially revive a story that

1703
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,440
they took credit for all of the UFOs

1704
01:21:09,130 --> 01:21:05,840
that happened in the 1950s and their

1705
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:09,140
tweet read literally this remember

1706
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:11,650
reports of unusual activities in the sky

1707
01:21:20,169 --> 01:21:15,080
in the 1950s that was us

1708
01:21:22,450 --> 01:21:20,179
hashtag u2 week hashtag UFO day now

1709
01:21:25,209 --> 01:21:22,460
that's a pretty broad statement to make

1710
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,219
especially when you have the amount of

1711
01:21:29,890 --> 01:21:27,440
information that's out there and so I

1712
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:29,900
did a FOIA request looking for the

1713
01:21:34,209 --> 01:21:31,730
internal communications about that tweet

1714
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:34,219
what kind of research they did you know

1715
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:35,780
how can you back that up now obviously

1716
01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:38,330
that does tie to a much grander CIA

1717
01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:42,710
report done by Gerald Haines but it this

1718
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,300
tweet I mean obviously this was years

1719
01:21:47,919 --> 01:21:45,920
after that report was published I wanted

1720
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:47,929
to know what were they talking about and

1721
01:21:53,860 --> 01:21:52,070
so I actually got the documents relating

1722
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:53,870
to that tweet and it literally only

1723
01:22:00,130 --> 01:21:57,440
consisted of like one email exchange the

1724
01:22:01,810 --> 01:22:00,140
names are blacked out but literally from

1725
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:01,820
what I can deduce from the documents

1726
01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:04,550
that the CIA gave me under FOIA is that

1727
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:07,790
one CIA employee says hey it's you know

1728
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:09,350
you I'm paraphrasing here because I

1729
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:10,489
don't want to bore you to death and read

1730
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:15,170
it but it's you to a week it's also UFO

1731
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:16,640
day they call it a world UFO day

1732
01:22:22,330 --> 01:22:20,030
and so he or she pitches a tweet which

1733
01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:22,340
is what I just read to you assuming he

1734
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:25,580
sent it to a superior the response was

1735
01:22:31,630 --> 01:22:28,850
simply I love it good to go and that was

1736
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:31,640
it that was the extent of that research

1737
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:33,679
of the tweet they just tried to take

1738
01:22:36,939 --> 01:22:35,330
credit for it so what I did was in

1739
01:22:40,270 --> 01:22:36,949
addition to show those documents

1740
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:40,280
actually research the u2 and research

1741
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:42,860
when it flew and you cut out half of the

1742
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:45,290
decade because it didn't fly

1743
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:48,110
until halfway through the 1950s it was

1744
01:22:52,780 --> 01:22:50,690
1955 so now you're trying to take credit

1745
01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:52,790
for an entire decade with a plane that

1746
01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:55,750
you know only started flying in 1955

1747
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,830
couple that but the fact that the

1748
01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:00,320
majority of the UFO reports were going

1749
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:02,990
well beyond the airspeed of what the u2

1750
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:06,170
was capable of how can you take credit

1751
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:07,010
for all of it

1752
01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:09,590
and so it was so blatantly ridiculous

1753
01:23:13,690 --> 01:23:11,180
but of course they sent it out on a

1754
01:23:16,780 --> 01:23:13,700
tweet at in a tweet and want the public

1755
01:23:18,730 --> 01:23:16,790
to buy it and so the documents prove

1756
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:18,740
that they just don't care to research it

1757
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:20,870
but on top of that I don't think they

1758
01:23:25,900 --> 01:23:23,210
care if the public is going to question

1759
01:23:28,930 --> 01:23:25,910
it or not I mean I have no other way to

1760
01:23:31,450 --> 01:23:28,940
explain it because this is so blatantly

1761
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:31,460
false but yet they tweet it out there

1762
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:33,650
anyway and they expect the public to

1763
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:37,250
just buy it now ok let's let's reverse

1764
01:23:44,710 --> 01:23:42,260
this let's actually flip this line of

1765
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:44,720
thought over in the other direction have

1766
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:50,930
you ever had a document that backed up

1767
01:23:57,970 --> 01:23:54,920
their lie right or you know changed your

1768
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:57,980
opinion on a situation or has all of its

1769
01:24:03,370 --> 01:24:01,120
has been one string of cover-up I

1770
01:24:04,990 --> 01:24:03,380
wouldn't say it's all one string of

1771
01:24:07,780 --> 01:24:05,000
cover-up because I mean you know some

1772
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:07,790
agencies think they kind of give you the

1773
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:10,240
information with no fight you know and

1774
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:13,130
so I don't want to just say like every

1775
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:14,360
government employee and every government

1776
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,790
agency is sitting there in a dark room

1777
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:19,280
going how can we shield Greenwald from

1778
01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:21,110
the UFO document so he doesn't release

1779
01:24:26,350 --> 01:24:22,670
them to the public I don't want to give

1780
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:26,360
that indication but you have to you have

1781
01:24:30,970 --> 01:24:28,490
to piece it together like a puzzle you

1782
01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:30,980
had mentioned a puzzle earlier and the

1783
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:32,630
analogy that I use is that you start

1784
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:34,510
putting these pieces together to put a

1785
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:37,610
picture together and then you realize

1786
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:39,080
that once a picture starts to emerge

1787
01:24:43,390 --> 01:24:41,330
it's just simply a piece to an even

1788
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:43,400
bigger puzzle and it keeps going and

1789
01:24:48,490 --> 01:24:45,380
going so part of the cover-up is

1790
01:24:54,190 --> 01:24:48,500
deliberate you do have these again very

1791
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:54,200
very blatant errors in what they're

1792
01:24:57,490 --> 01:24:55,730
trying to say I mean I hate using the

1793
01:24:58,689 --> 01:24:57,500
word lies you know I mean maybe it's not

1794
01:25:01,630 --> 01:24:58,699
malicious but

1795
01:25:04,270 --> 01:25:01,640
so blatant that they're wrong yet

1796
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:04,280
there's absolutely no research done but

1797
01:25:06,669 --> 01:25:05,570
then on the other end you've got to

1798
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:06,679
think that a lot of these documents

1799
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:09,890
going back decades were created before

1800
01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:11,510
the Freedom of Information Act ever

1801
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:14,030
existed so we don't know at this point

1802
01:25:18,939 --> 01:25:15,920
how many were potentially destroyed I

1803
01:25:21,010 --> 01:25:18,949
don't only research UFOs I've gone off

1804
01:25:23,770 --> 01:25:21,020
there probably every government secret

1805
01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:23,780
we you can dream up right now and I've

1806
01:25:28,090 --> 01:25:26,120
learned on many occasions that documents

1807
01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:28,100
pertaining to you know certain things

1808
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,469
were absolutely destroyed and it was

1809
01:25:34,450 --> 01:25:31,520
because before the Freedom of

1810
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:34,460
Information Act was ever created a lot

1811
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:36,380
of these agency heads they they were

1812
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:38,750
able to kind of get away with it there

1813
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:42,170
was no there was no oversight whatsoever

1814
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:45,170
public you and I the public could not

1815
01:25:47,919 --> 01:25:46,130
ask questions

1816
01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:47,929
we couldn't request information the

1817
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:50,780
MKULTRA material off the top of my head

1818
01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:52,370
is probably the biggest one but they

1819
01:25:56,169 --> 01:25:54,440
just kind of destroyed everything I've

1820
01:25:59,770 --> 01:25:56,179
been able to uncover thousands of pages

1821
01:26:01,570 --> 01:25:59,780
that that survived the shredders but my

1822
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:01,580
whole point is is that we really don't

1823
01:26:07,150 --> 01:26:04,790
know how far or deep the cover-up goes

1824
01:26:09,459 --> 01:26:07,160
so now in this day and age it's not

1825
01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:09,469
necessarily trying to be malicious it's

1826
01:26:14,530 --> 01:26:11,900
just the decades ago politicians and

1827
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:14,540
agency heads and whomever was involved

1828
01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:17,330
destroyed it before the public had a

1829
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:19,640
right to access it and on top of that

1830
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:21,590
they call it records retention schedules

1831
01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:23,480
before some of the record retention

1832
01:26:28,209 --> 01:26:26,030
schedules were created so it was their

1833
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,219
legal right to just go out let's just go

1834
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:30,560
ahead and shred all this and and it's

1835
01:26:37,570 --> 01:26:33,710
gone so I think more than anything else

1836
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:37,580
the biggest help to them the government

1837
01:26:42,130 --> 01:26:40,130
with the cover-up is the passage of time

1838
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:42,140
and that's all it is the JFK

1839
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:44,090
assassination is a prime example of that

1840
01:26:47,979 --> 01:26:46,310
if they let these documents sit and

1841
01:26:51,610 --> 01:26:47,989
fester long enough because there's still

1842
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:51,620
a lot that are withheld the public will

1843
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:55,580
generally lose interest and stop asking

1844
01:26:59,380 --> 01:26:57,410
because you have a generation that dies

1845
01:27:01,090 --> 01:26:59,390
off and then you know there's people

1846
01:27:04,540 --> 01:27:01,100
like me out there that loves to annoy em

1847
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:04,550
for answers but sadly you know time is

1848
01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:06,710
one of the biggest

1849
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,510
the biggest friendly things that they

1850
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:11,760
have to their own agenda they probably

1851
01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:15,380
didn't start digitizing you know until

1852
01:27:20,780 --> 01:27:19,350
the early 90s are there right now we've

1853
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:20,790
only got about two minutes before the

1854
01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:21,330
breakdown

1855
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:24,860
are there teams out there

1856
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:29,760
digitizing records I are there are there

1857
01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:30,360
what out there

1858
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:33,750
it's teams I if they're mud yeah there's

1859
01:27:41,180 --> 01:27:37,290
got to be literally piles and mountains

1860
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:41,190
of paperwork and reports that that are

1861
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:44,370
unseen that are uncap and and what are

1862
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:46,890
they doing about that yeah I

1863
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:48,570
it depends on the agency there are

1864
01:27:52,940 --> 01:27:50,820
agencies that have digitized literally

1865
01:27:54,170 --> 01:27:52,950
millions of records the CIA is a prime

1866
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:54,180
example they have what's called the

1867
01:28:01,550 --> 01:27:58,410
crest database and through triumphs

1868
01:28:04,460 --> 01:28:01,560
within the FOIA by other colleagues of

1869
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:04,470
mine that use the FOIA like I do we're

1870
01:28:08,930 --> 01:28:06,390
able to convince the CIA to put put a

1871
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:08,940
lot of the crest database online so

1872
01:28:14,150 --> 01:28:10,650
depending upon the agency you look at

1873
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there are these initiatives to save this

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information that goes back decades if

1875
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you can believe it I have FOIA requests

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where I have gone after classified

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records from World War one that are

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still classified that I'm still denied

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access to so there's a lot of

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information there some of it has been

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digitized a lot of it has been digitized

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but it depends on the agency and it

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varies so that that's another kind of

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question mark when you file a FOIA how

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much can they can they really look for

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the documents and that that's a tough

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that's a tough one to answer let's take

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a break right here our guest tonight is

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John Greenwald the black vault Imam we

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get for when we come back

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we'll continue our conversation about

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his new book it is called inside the

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black vault

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I'm your host Jimmy Church you can go to

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inside the black vault calm and order

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church I guess in that John

2001
01:34:51,729 --> 01:34:48,679
Greenwald the black vault and we are

2002
01:34:54,369 --> 01:34:51,739
talking about his new book inside the

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01:34:56,829 --> 01:34:54,379
black vault which I have it is an

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01:34:59,889 --> 01:34:56,839
absolutely amazing book you can go to

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the black vault calm and inside the

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black vault calm and in and order

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yourselves your very own copy I want to

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talk about Project Blue Book not the TV

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01:35:14,949 --> 01:35:12,649
show and not from the angle that this

2010
01:35:17,649 --> 01:35:14,959
audience is probably expecting right now

2011
01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:17,659
but it's the way that you present it in

2012
01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:21,049
in this chapter in the book and John you

2013
01:35:26,379 --> 01:35:24,019
say something here that is mind-blowing

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01:35:28,419 --> 01:35:26,389
now I have an autographed copy here from

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01:35:32,559 --> 01:35:28,429
Stanton Friedman somewhere a blue book

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01:35:34,509 --> 01:35:32,569
right you may have yours but you state

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01:35:36,459 --> 01:35:34,519
here that the National Archives and

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01:35:41,889 --> 01:35:36,469
Records Administration otherwise known

2019
01:35:43,869 --> 01:35:41,899
as Nara has their records and this is

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01:35:46,989 --> 01:35:43,879
what you state and it blows my mind

2021
01:35:51,809 --> 01:35:46,999
versus what we know and what you have to

2022
01:35:56,679 --> 01:35:51,819
go through that they have approximately

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01:36:01,589 --> 01:35:56,689
42 cubic feet of documents in their

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01:36:05,229 --> 01:36:01,599
collection and that equates to about

2025
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:05,239
84,000 pages within the project Bluebook

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01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:09,199
collection at Nara now if if I just

2027
01:36:18,099 --> 01:36:13,129
think about that myself if you got 80

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01:36:20,379 --> 01:36:18,109
some odd thousand pages of documents for

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01:36:24,189 --> 01:36:20,389
you it would take you the rest of your

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01:36:26,589 --> 01:36:24,199
life to read that's right yeah and that

2031
01:36:28,750 --> 01:36:26,599
that's formula is just using the

2032
01:36:30,879 --> 01:36:28,760
National Archives way of calculating

2033
01:36:34,589 --> 01:36:30,889
pages but yeah that's what they stay

2034
01:36:37,389 --> 01:36:34,599
Project Blue Book is now the Case Files

2035
01:36:40,059 --> 01:36:37,399
portion of it all kind of the

2036
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:40,069
interesting stuff has been digitized

2037
01:36:44,949 --> 01:36:43,369
over the years it's been out for quite a

2038
01:36:47,079 --> 01:36:44,959
few years for the public to kind of

2039
01:36:49,839 --> 01:36:47,089
peruse and in fact it was actually

2040
01:36:52,449 --> 01:36:49,849
fairly open during the actual project

2041
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:52,459
Bluebook days where the press if they

2042
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:54,110
made a phone call and got a

2043
01:36:59,410 --> 01:36:56,330
well literally could go in and sit down

2044
01:37:01,480 --> 01:36:59,420
at a table and see the files so there's

2045
01:37:03,490 --> 01:37:01,490
there's a lot there but it you know over

2046
01:37:05,530 --> 01:37:03,500
the years many many researchers well

2047
01:37:09,790 --> 01:37:05,540
before my time have gone in there and

2048
01:37:11,650 --> 01:37:09,800
and and analyzed those cases and even

2049
01:37:13,570 --> 01:37:11,660
though the government wants to say that

2050
01:37:14,980 --> 01:37:13,580
the majority of them are all explained I

2051
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:14,990
think there's a pretty good case that

2052
01:37:21,580 --> 01:37:17,840
the researchers have put up that they're

2053
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:21,590
not only very good cases in there but a

2054
01:37:27,850 --> 01:37:24,320
much higher percentage of unexplained

2055
01:37:31,150 --> 01:37:27,860
cases that that they want you to believe

2056
01:37:34,420 --> 01:37:31,160
so they claim only 700 remain 701

2057
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,430
remained unidentified out of the 12,000

2058
01:37:38,110 --> 01:37:36,800
plus cases that they investigated but I

2059
01:37:39,730 --> 01:37:38,120
think that there is good and strong

2060
01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:39,740
evidence to support that the number is

2061
01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:41,590
much much higher do they do that

2062
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:46,280
intentionally to bog us down I think so

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01:37:52,150 --> 01:37:48,320
because again you know that the the in

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01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:52,160
this was 1969 when they kind of closed

2065
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:54,920
closed Blue Book so I think what they

2066
01:37:59,680 --> 01:37:57,050
wanted to do is just kind of drown the

2067
01:38:01,810 --> 01:37:59,690
public and statistics and figures but

2068
01:38:03,670 --> 01:38:01,820
more than all else have a very very

2069
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:03,680
small percentage of quote-unquote

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01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:06,290
unidentified so it still seemed like a

2071
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:09,170
legitimate scientific explanation but it

2072
01:38:13,660 --> 01:38:11,030
was such a low percentage that I think

2073
01:38:15,010 --> 01:38:13,670
they hope that the public would again be

2074
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:15,020
overwhelmed with the amount of

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01:38:19,170 --> 01:38:16,820
information that they were trying to

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01:38:21,670 --> 01:38:19,180
spew out there but that'd be fairly

2077
01:38:25,180 --> 01:38:21,680
underwhelmed with the quote/unquote

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conclusion so for again putting yourself

2079
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in the shoes of the military they wanted

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01:38:32,230 --> 01:38:29,150
the public to kind of go away so what

2081
01:38:35,620 --> 01:38:32,240
better way to say hey we did over 12,000

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01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,630
cases and only you know 701 remained

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01:38:39,700 --> 01:38:37,520
unidentified but then they drilled down

2084
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:39,710
even more and said the only reason that

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01:38:45,490 --> 01:38:42,170
they were unidentified was the fact that

2086
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they lacked appropriate evidence and you

2087
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:47,570
know what we would need to put a

2088
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:49,370
positive identification on it so they

2089
01:38:53,620 --> 01:38:51,050
felt that nothing was extraterrestrial

2090
01:38:54,850 --> 01:38:53,630
connected even with the unknowns but

2091
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:54,860
when you start going through the

2092
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,930
documents and again documents that have

2093
01:39:00,700 --> 01:38:58,400
got been gone through for many many

2094
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:00,710
years you do start to paint a picture

2095
01:39:06,190 --> 01:39:04,400
that there is evidence there that

2096
01:39:07,049 --> 01:39:06,200
contradicts what their conclusions were

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01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:07,059
you know

2098
01:39:13,169 --> 01:39:09,760
and the Socorro landing is a prime

2099
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:13,179
example of just that and you look at the

2100
01:39:17,250 --> 01:39:14,770
evidence you look at the photos you look

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01:39:19,799 --> 01:39:17,260
at the credibility of the witness you

2102
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:19,809
can you can take every other case out of

2103
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:22,510
the equation and just use that one and

2104
01:39:27,870 --> 01:39:25,329
show that there is actually number one

2105
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:27,880
threat number two technology that we

2106
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,130
don't necessarily have three not

2107
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:32,800
everything was explained and four you

2108
01:39:37,709 --> 01:39:35,530
can't just dismiss it right and and I'll

2109
01:39:39,899 --> 01:39:37,719
liken it to the cure for cancer if you

2110
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:39,909
do a thousand tests and only one shows

2111
01:39:44,669 --> 01:39:42,369
promise do you give up of course not

2112
01:39:48,450 --> 01:39:44,679
because you have promise and I think

2113
01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:48,460
that even with a scientific approach one

2114
01:39:52,529 --> 01:39:50,409
case out of a thousand deserves a closer

2115
01:39:54,930 --> 01:39:52,539
look especially when you're number one

2116
01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:54,940
talking about cure for cancer but number

2117
01:40:00,839 --> 01:39:58,150
two such a revelation that technology

2118
01:40:02,669 --> 01:40:00,849
could be out of this world if you want

2119
01:40:06,029 --> 01:40:02,679
to call it that and yet the government

2120
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:06,039
military was so quick to explain many

2121
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:08,770
more than just one when it came to UFOs

2122
01:40:13,919 --> 01:40:10,690
and just chalk it up to a lack of

2123
01:40:15,899 --> 01:40:13,929
evidence and and so on and to me it

2124
01:40:18,959 --> 01:40:15,909
really showed that Project Blue Book was

2125
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:18,969
not scientific I talk about J Allen

2126
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,650
Hynek which obviously that's a buzz word

2127
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:22,960
here in the last few months with with

2128
01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:25,420
the History Channel show sadly very

2129
01:40:31,890 --> 01:40:27,880
heavily fiction you know fictionalized

2130
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:31,900
but he was an amazing individual in real

2131
01:40:34,859 --> 01:40:34,210
life you know he has an amazing back

2132
01:40:37,290 --> 01:40:34,869
story

2133
01:40:39,629 --> 01:40:37,300
and so I go through a lot of the Project

2134
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,639
Blue Book history but what was amazing

2135
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:42,400
to me was a discovery that was made by

2136
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:45,130
another researcher Rob Mercer who I came

2137
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:48,130
across when I was doing a research for a

2138
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:50,250
television series I was working on and

2139
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:53,710
he had discovered from a former project

2140
01:40:59,520 --> 01:40:57,489
Bluebook personnel officer somebody who

2141
01:41:02,459 --> 01:40:59,530
took some souvenirs in the form of

2142
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:02,469
documents letters books photographs and

2143
01:41:07,589 --> 01:41:05,590
film reels home from wright-patterson

2144
01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:07,599
Air Force Base again you're talking

2145
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:09,460
about a time where records retention

2146
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:10,780
schedules weren't there

2147
01:41:15,870 --> 01:41:13,750
there was unclassified material and it

2148
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:15,880
was all going to be shredded it was

2149
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:18,050
actually slated for the trash

2150
01:41:20,830 --> 01:41:19,610
and I found out about the story I was

2151
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:20,840
like now there's you know there's

2152
01:41:25,569 --> 01:41:22,880
something fishy here and so I tracked

2153
01:41:27,819 --> 01:41:25,579
down Rob and sure enough it was I mean

2154
01:41:31,540 --> 01:41:27,829
everything checked out he had an amazing

2155
01:41:34,930 --> 01:41:31,550
story he found the listing on Craigslist

2156
01:41:37,149 --> 01:41:34,940
of somebody selling the documents that

2157
01:41:38,830 --> 01:41:37,159
they found in a garage and was not the

2158
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:38,840
Bluebook officer they purchased a home

2159
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:40,460
and they were accidentally left behind

2160
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:43,280
and Rob purchased not only that but

2161
01:41:47,649 --> 01:41:45,710
tracked down who the homeowner was and

2162
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:47,659
lo and behold it was a project Bluebook

2163
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,719
officer it was confirmed you know it was

2164
01:41:56,169 --> 01:41:53,119
it was definitely doc documented Carmen

2165
01:41:59,950 --> 01:41:56,179
Murano was his name and and Rob tracked

2166
01:42:03,220 --> 01:41:59,960
him down and and this former Air Force

2167
01:42:04,930 --> 01:42:03,230
officer he took not only that box that

2168
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:04,940
was left behind at the home that he sold

2169
01:42:10,209 --> 01:42:07,280
but also had quite a few more boxes and

2170
01:42:13,540 --> 01:42:10,219
so I worked with Rob we got them all

2171
01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:13,550
online but the contents were fascinating

2172
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:16,369
because what it showed it solidified

2173
01:42:20,919 --> 01:42:19,489
what I you know and many others have

2174
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:20,929
thought for many years a blue book was

2175
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:23,570
not an investigation but rather in

2176
01:42:28,989 --> 01:42:26,840
explanation and in these files were

2177
01:42:31,779 --> 01:42:28,999
records that were not in the blue book

2178
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,789
collection meaning that they when they

2179
01:42:35,229 --> 01:42:33,199
were all transferred to the National

2180
01:42:36,729 --> 01:42:35,239
Archives whether it's you know fifty

2181
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:36,739
thousand eighty four thousand whatever

2182
01:42:40,989 --> 01:42:38,570
formula you want to use to count them

2183
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:40,999
all up out of the tens of thousands of

2184
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:43,730
pages that are there these records the

2185
01:42:48,339 --> 01:42:46,249
majority of them were not there and the

2186
01:42:50,979 --> 01:42:48,349
most interesting ones which were not in

2187
01:42:54,489 --> 01:42:50,989
the official files showed how a ranking

2188
01:42:59,709 --> 01:42:54,499
Air Force officer was calling fellow Air

2189
01:43:02,709 --> 01:42:59,719
Force enlisted officers imbeciles stupid

2190
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,719
stuff like that in official reports like

2191
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:04,400
this wasn't you know just a memo or

2192
01:43:07,509 --> 01:43:05,119
something

2193
01:43:10,569 --> 01:43:07,519
these were official UFO investigations

2194
01:43:13,989 --> 01:43:10,579
where the ranking officer who was tasked

2195
01:43:16,739 --> 01:43:13,999
to investigate the UFOs before he ever

2196
01:43:20,500 --> 01:43:16,749
went in there thought literally that the

2197
01:43:22,899 --> 01:43:20,510
military officers who saw the UFO were

2198
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:22,909
imbeciles just because they reported a

2199
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:26,300
UFO and it shows a very interesting look

2200
01:43:31,569 --> 01:43:29,199
at the mindset of the Air Force

2201
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:31,579
investigators that were going after

2202
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,040
these

2203
01:43:37,250 --> 01:43:34,560
book reports of course that went into

2204
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:37,260
the corner unquote solved category but

2205
01:43:42,350 --> 01:43:39,930
it shows how skewed from a scientific

2206
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:42,360
standpoint that these investigations

2207
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:44,730
really were and that was just one page I

2208
01:43:48,980 --> 01:43:46,770
mean Robin come up with some amazing

2209
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:48,990
things so what I do is I look at all the

2210
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:50,910
official government documents and then

2211
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:53,520
you tack on Rob's find which was you

2212
01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:54,570
know one in a million

2213
01:44:00,530 --> 01:43:58,050
it shows beyond any shadow of a doubt

2214
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:00,540
that Blue Book was not the scientific

2215
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:01,890
explanation that we've been led to

2216
01:44:08,780 --> 01:44:06,270
believe but rather it goes into what

2217
01:44:12,460 --> 01:44:08,790
seems much more plausible all it was

2218
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:12,470
doing was explaining what UFOs were and

2219
01:44:17,150 --> 01:44:14,910
the last thing I'll bring up and I go

2220
01:44:20,180 --> 01:44:17,160
into quite a few of these letters in my

2221
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:20,190
book is the fact that J Allen Hynek in

2222
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:22,530
the in the latter years of Project Blue

2223
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:25,310
Book started writing Hector quintanilla

2224
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:27,960
or quintanilla however you want to

2225
01:44:32,750 --> 01:44:30,330
pronounce it who was the head of Project

2226
01:44:36,830 --> 01:44:32,760
Blue Book at the time asking to go back

2227
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:36,840
and revisit the solved cases because dr.

2228
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:39,990
Hynek either had an epiphany or realized

2229
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:43,020
they were covering this up and he wanted

2230
01:44:48,170 --> 01:44:46,650
to go back and revisit them and and the

2231
01:44:50,990 --> 01:44:48,180
ranking officer of Project Blue Book

2232
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:51,000
said no absolutely not he was very

2233
01:44:56,030 --> 01:44:53,730
sternly worded in his letters and

2234
01:44:57,530 --> 01:44:56,040
correspondence and learned that dr.

2235
01:44:59,870 --> 01:44:57,540
Hynek was out there starting to reach

2236
01:45:03,290 --> 01:44:59,880
out to the UFO community at the time and

2237
01:45:05,780 --> 01:45:03,300
lecturing and so on and that really made

2238
01:45:08,690 --> 01:45:05,790
him upset so to see the wording of these

2239
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:08,700
letters it was such an amazing inside

2240
01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:11,280
look that I'd never seen before and in

2241
01:45:15,740 --> 01:45:13,080
fact I don't think the world ever saw

2242
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:15,750
before except this Air Force officer who

2243
01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:18,290
kept these things as a souvenir and so

2244
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:21,750
those are the only non FOIA documents in

2245
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:25,080
the entire book but everything you know

2246
01:45:29,870 --> 01:45:27,090
I mean this guy is documented to be

2247
01:45:31,580 --> 01:45:29,880
involved and then they're real to hoax

2248
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:31,590
anything like that is just out of the

2249
01:45:34,340 --> 01:45:32,010
question

2250
01:45:35,690 --> 01:45:34,350
so these hundreds and hundreds of pages

2251
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:35,700
that were just stored in a garage

2252
01:45:41,480 --> 01:45:38,850
collecting dust really shed a lot of

2253
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:41,490
light on what Project Blue Book really

2254
01:45:45,379 --> 01:45:43,800
was yeah I went through the same thing a

2255
01:45:48,799 --> 01:45:45,389
couple of months ago

2256
01:45:52,879 --> 01:45:48,809
i sat down with Michael shraddh right

2257
01:45:55,490 --> 01:45:52,889
here in Burbank and and went through

2258
01:45:58,609 --> 01:45:55,500
because as you know Michael went over to

2259
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:58,619
the center of UFO studies hynek's

2260
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:02,880
offices and he had complete access for a

2261
01:46:05,870 --> 01:46:04,170
couple of years and he would go in there

2262
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:05,880
on the weekends and they'd let him have

2263
01:46:12,770 --> 01:46:10,650
at the file cabinets there and so he you

2264
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:12,780
know he's got he's got stuff that is

2265
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:14,010
just mind-blowing

2266
01:46:18,530 --> 01:46:15,900
and i sat there and i went through page

2267
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:18,540
after page of these original reports

2268
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:20,820
right I'm looking at him I'm bought I've

2269
01:46:27,709 --> 01:46:24,000
got copies of a bunch here in the bunker

2270
01:46:29,569 --> 01:46:27,719
and the stuff that is there it was one

2271
01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:29,579
report after another that I had never

2272
01:46:36,049 --> 01:46:33,300
heard of right and and I thought how

2273
01:46:42,620 --> 01:46:36,059
much is out there that Hynek was sitting

2274
01:46:44,060 --> 01:46:42,630
on that obviously but by that point you

2275
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:44,070
know Blue Book had been closed for a

2276
01:46:49,850 --> 01:46:46,260
number of years but he continued the

2277
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:49,860
research and he had a lot of stuff very

2278
01:46:59,209 --> 01:46:54,530
very credible multiple eyewitnesses

2279
01:47:01,520 --> 01:46:59,219
reports that if hadn't have gone in and

2280
01:47:03,589 --> 01:47:01,530
done what he had done and done what you

2281
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:03,599
are doing now you know what I mean we

2282
01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:05,250
would never have access to these

2283
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:09,780
documents yeah and that is to me is one

2284
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:12,449
of the biggest telling pieces of

2285
01:47:15,470 --> 01:47:14,010
evidence here about Project Blue Book

2286
01:47:17,569 --> 01:47:15,480
where you have your chief scientific

2287
01:47:20,839 --> 01:47:17,579
consultant that in the beginning days

2288
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:20,849
was a total skeptic and goes on through

2289
01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:23,400
the years to investigate and have second

2290
01:47:27,169 --> 01:47:25,590
thoughts and he leaves Project Blue Book

2291
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:27,179
to start his own organization and

2292
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:28,530
research UFOs because he knows he

2293
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:30,210
there's more to it that's right that to

2294
01:47:36,919 --> 01:47:33,449
me is an amazing aspect to that whole

2295
01:47:40,129 --> 01:47:36,929
story and so the for for me and the

2296
01:47:42,589 --> 01:47:40,139
grandeur picture of things that that is

2297
01:47:44,930 --> 01:47:42,599
the nail in the coffin to show that the

2298
01:47:47,089 --> 01:47:44,940
company line that foundation that we

2299
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:47,099
were talking about earlier just falls

2300
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:49,110
apart because when you start to dig in

2301
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,690
go beyond the surface stories and you

2302
01:47:55,339 --> 01:47:53,520
start to dig in and you see the reaction

2303
01:47:57,260 --> 01:47:55,349
by Hynek and you see the actual

2304
01:47:58,600 --> 01:47:57,270
documentation about Roswell wreckage and

2305
01:48:00,760 --> 01:47:58,610
you see the

2306
01:48:03,220 --> 01:48:00,770
the ridiculous way that they dealt with

2307
01:48:05,980 --> 01:48:03,230
some of these cases and you see that the

2308
01:48:07,870 --> 01:48:05,990
facts are skewed the statistics are

2309
01:48:12,130 --> 01:48:07,880
skewed during the Bluebook years

2310
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:12,140
you can absolutely conclude that all of

2311
01:48:17,020 --> 01:48:14,810
that was a joke and that you need to

2312
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:17,030
move beyond that Bluebook era in the

2313
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:18,800
sense that we know that there's more

2314
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:21,530
there but it's going to be very hard to

2315
01:48:24,820 --> 01:48:22,790
research we don't know how many

2316
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,830
documents were destroyed because again

2317
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,480
Carmen Murano went on the record and

2318
01:48:31,630 --> 01:48:28,880
said they were slated for the trashcan

2319
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:31,640
those were only the ones he took imagine

2320
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:33,770
how much he probably couldn't take or

2321
01:48:39,130 --> 01:48:36,560
didn't know as the decades would go on

2322
01:48:41,050 --> 01:48:39,140
that the people like you and me and who

2323
01:48:43,330 --> 01:48:41,060
and everyone listening would want to see

2324
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:43,340
them imagine how much has been thrown in

2325
01:48:48,130 --> 01:48:45,410
the trash and that's just one UFO

2326
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,140
project that we know oxygen all of the

2327
01:48:52,570 --> 01:48:50,000
other intelligence agencies yeah like

2328
01:48:55,420 --> 01:48:52,580
you have this one letter here if you

2329
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,430
don't mind I'm gonna read part of it but

2330
01:48:59,950 --> 01:48:58,280
you say in one letter 1952 which I

2331
01:49:02,260 --> 01:48:59,960
discovered under FOIA at the Air Force

2332
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:02,270
historical research agency was written

2333
01:49:09,730 --> 01:49:06,560
by US Air Force Major General William F

2334
01:49:11,710 --> 01:49:09,740
McKee right and you stayed here this is

2335
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:11,720
what's crazy because you have so much

2336
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:14,330
material to go through but you say that

2337
01:49:17,650 --> 01:49:16,250
you discover this letter while going

2338
01:49:19,660 --> 01:49:17,660
through his personal records at the

2339
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:19,670
archives this was not part of any

2340
01:49:24,670 --> 01:49:21,890
official collection of UFO related

2341
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:24,680
records it was simply by chance that I

2342
01:49:30,940 --> 01:49:28,370
realized the letter was there pretty

2343
01:49:32,620 --> 01:49:30,950
amazing this is like luck and listen I

2344
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:32,630
want the audience to listen to what I'm

2345
01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:34,370
about to read to you here I go it's

2346
01:49:42,610 --> 01:49:39,350
quote these things are hectic here in

2347
01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:42,620
Washington as ever in addition to all of

2348
01:49:48,130 --> 01:49:44,780
our other troubles the flying saucer

2349
01:49:50,650 --> 01:49:48,140
boom has started again even our radars

2350
01:49:52,810 --> 01:49:50,660
are picking up unidentified objects the

2351
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:52,820
press now thinks we are keeping a big

2352
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,090
secret from them as general twining and

2353
01:50:01,780 --> 01:49:58,880
I love that part right said a day or two

2354
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:01,790
ago people don't seem to realize that we

2355
01:50:07,810 --> 01:50:04,880
have a few billion stars in the sky with

2356
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:07,820
all of their Associated physical

2357
01:50:14,569 --> 01:50:09,329
phenomena

2358
01:50:16,819 --> 01:50:14,579
holy crap now yeah well it's a pretty

2359
01:50:18,859 --> 01:50:16,829
it's a pretty amazing letter and on top

2360
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:18,869
of the power of what you just read and

2361
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:22,290
the words that he used it shows that the

2362
01:50:25,819 --> 01:50:23,699
quote unquote project blue book

2363
01:50:28,549 --> 01:50:25,829
collection didn't have everything that

2364
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,559
there are these as high as

2365
01:50:33,919 --> 01:50:31,440
major-generals and above and their

2366
01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:33,929
openness to what is out there in the

2367
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:37,739
universe and this was 1952 so they had

2368
01:50:42,620 --> 01:50:39,599
already been doing UFO investigations

2369
01:50:44,839 --> 01:50:42,630
for five years they had already kind of

2370
01:50:46,609 --> 01:50:44,849
kept you know publicly saying that there

2371
01:50:48,890 --> 01:50:46,619
was nothing to the the phenomena

2372
01:50:51,319 --> 01:50:48,900
and yet here you have a Major General

2373
01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:51,329
that's stating in this letter you know

2374
01:50:56,180 --> 01:50:54,179
this is hectic we don't know what we

2375
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:56,190
have when you have a few billion stars

2376
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,760
in the sky so on multiple levels that

2377
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:02,400
was a fascinating find for me and yet

2378
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:04,440
kind of on accident I mean I really

2379
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:06,360
wasn't I was going through the files but

2380
01:51:10,089 --> 01:51:07,920
I really wasn't saying there's got to be

2381
01:51:13,069 --> 01:51:10,099
UFO stuff in his personal collection

2382
01:51:14,569 --> 01:51:13,079
that was at the Air Force Office not his

2383
01:51:17,149 --> 01:51:14,579
personal collection but at the Air Force

2384
01:51:19,939 --> 01:51:17,159
history Research Office a research

2385
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:19,949
agency and so a little bit by accident

2386
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:21,780
but that's those are the finds that I

2387
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:24,449
love and you know there's been amazing

2388
01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:25,770
books written over the years about

2389
01:51:29,870 --> 01:51:27,780
government documents and government

2390
01:51:30,859 --> 01:51:29,880
secrets what I tried to do in this book

2391
01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:30,869
is obviously deal with the most

2392
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:33,480
important ones but really hone in on the

2393
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:36,570
ones that have have excelled the story

2394
01:51:41,689 --> 01:51:40,110
that have never been out before I tried

2395
01:51:44,450 --> 01:51:41,699
to stick with as many of those as I

2396
01:51:47,660 --> 01:51:44,460
could just simply because to me it just

2397
01:51:49,879 --> 01:51:47,670
takes the amazing foundation that

2398
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:49,889
researchers that have come well before

2399
01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:52,530
me it takes that foundation that they've

2400
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:55,110
already set and then takes it to the

2401
01:52:00,040 --> 01:51:57,690
next step and to that next level that

2402
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:00,050
there is more information than we knew

2403
01:52:06,830 --> 01:52:04,050
was was there before and this letter was

2404
01:52:10,580 --> 01:52:06,840
a prime example for me to keep digging

2405
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,590
because I can tell you I have felt many

2406
01:52:15,740 --> 01:52:12,960
times over the years that I have tapped

2407
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:15,750
out meaning that I've been able to

2408
01:52:21,649 --> 01:52:18,150
discover all UFO documents of all the

2409
01:52:22,669 --> 01:52:21,659
agencies at this point the filed FOIA

2410
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:22,679
request to ever

2411
01:52:27,689 --> 01:52:25,510
but it's a situation like this where you

2412
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:27,699
come across a letter that's very very

2413
01:52:32,610 --> 01:52:30,250
powerful but on top of that you realize

2414
01:52:35,820 --> 01:52:32,620
that they are just hidden in these nooks

2415
01:52:39,899 --> 01:52:35,830
and crannies of agencies and archives

2416
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:39,909
and I mean it is a very tangled web that

2417
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:42,730
they have woven to try and figure out

2418
01:52:47,010 --> 01:52:45,010
where they're hiding documents because

2419
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,020
you can file a request to the United

2420
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,880
States Air Force but if you don't file

2421
01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:50,800
it to the United States Air Force's

2422
01:52:55,740 --> 01:52:53,380
historical research agency you may not

2423
01:52:57,149 --> 01:52:55,750
get the same result it's the same agency

2424
01:52:59,760 --> 01:52:57,159
you'd think well why not you know you

2425
01:53:02,100 --> 01:52:59,770
should be able to to really get get the

2426
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:02,110
same results but in reality these

2427
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:05,679
agencies are so big they stretch so far

2428
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:08,830
and then to make matters worse they

2429
01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:10,810
don't communicate so to try and really

2430
01:53:15,570 --> 01:53:13,120
put the put the lines together and

2431
01:53:18,330 --> 01:53:15,580
connect the dots it's very very tricky

2432
01:53:19,740 --> 01:53:18,340
so often I thought I've just tapped out

2433
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:19,750
on everything and then you make a

2434
01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:22,540
discovery and it branches off into 20

2435
01:53:27,950 --> 01:53:24,100
more FOIA requests and then you're busy

2436
01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:27,960
for another decade the the bilenda memo

2437
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,870
which is you know another pretty amazing

2438
01:53:39,629 --> 01:53:34,000
document this is dated the 20th of

2439
01:53:42,209 --> 01:53:39,639
October 1969 and but it's not the memo

2440
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:42,219
itself is a fascinating read but when

2441
01:53:47,550 --> 01:53:44,860
you consider the date 1969 Project Blue

2442
01:53:50,669 --> 01:53:47,560
Book being closed and so forth but he

2443
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:50,679
says for more than 20 years the Air

2444
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,110
Force and I encourage everybody if you

2445
01:54:00,000 --> 01:53:55,199
get the book just for this one page of

2446
01:54:01,500 --> 01:54:00,010
this memo to see this because it's it's

2447
01:54:04,860 --> 01:54:01,510
a very important document but he says

2448
01:54:06,930 --> 01:54:04,870
that Blue Book has the responsibility

2449
01:54:08,729 --> 01:54:06,940
within the Department of Defense for the

2450
01:54:10,379 --> 01:54:08,739
investigation of unidentified flying

2451
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:10,389
objects for two reasons

2452
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:16,030
a and this is walks me a to determine

2453
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:18,010
whether UFOs posed a threat to the

2454
01:54:24,899 --> 01:54:21,850
security of the United States and B to

2455
01:54:27,330 --> 01:54:24,909
determine whether UFOs exhibit any

2456
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:27,340
unique scientific information or

2457
01:54:31,770 --> 01:54:30,010
advanced technology which could

2458
01:54:35,340 --> 01:54:31,780
contribute to the scientific or

2459
01:54:36,370 --> 01:54:35,350
technical research and C attachment

2460
01:54:39,190 --> 01:54:36,380
three

2461
01:54:42,060 --> 01:54:39,200
now what when you get a document now

2462
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:42,070
first off how did you get this document

2463
01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:44,930
right and was this something else that

2464
01:54:50,290 --> 01:54:47,600
was part of a massive document dump that

2465
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:50,300
you got lucky with no actually and I

2466
01:54:58,180 --> 01:54:53,570
want to give a nod to a researcher the

2467
01:55:00,460 --> 01:54:58,190
late Robert Todd who I gave a nod to in

2468
01:55:03,070 --> 01:55:00,470
the book that back in 1979 he was

2469
01:55:05,500 --> 01:55:03,080
actually the one that had discovered

2470
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:05,510
this through FOIA and Stanton Friedman

2471
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:07,850
has has used this you know quite a bit

2472
01:55:11,890 --> 01:55:10,610
in in his books and so on so I

2473
01:55:14,020 --> 01:55:11,900
definitely want to give a nod on this

2474
01:55:16,690 --> 01:55:14,030
specific one to Robert Todd who I

2475
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:16,700
believe was the first to find it back in

2476
01:55:21,970 --> 01:55:19,760
1979 but this was one of those pieces of

2477
01:55:24,190 --> 01:55:21,980
the puzzle that really just excelled the

2478
01:55:26,020 --> 01:55:24,200
story for me that you have all that

2479
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:26,030
other evidence to go the blue book was a

2480
01:55:31,390 --> 01:55:28,850
joke but then the Bolender memo comes in

2481
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:31,400
and says in addition to what you had

2482
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,400
just referenced that the cases that

2483
01:55:39,550 --> 01:55:36,800
really did kind of show a threat to you

2484
01:55:42,730 --> 01:55:39,560
know national security were not part of

2485
01:55:46,830 --> 01:55:42,740
the Blue Book system which meant that

2486
01:55:51,670 --> 01:55:46,840
you know this is this is something that

2487
01:55:53,530 --> 01:55:51,680
in my mind solidifies the cover-up Blue

2488
01:55:56,020 --> 01:55:53,540
Book was the public story to calm

2489
01:55:57,790 --> 01:55:56,030
everybody down and make them go away and

2490
01:55:59,380 --> 01:55:57,800
I'll give you the exact quote it says

2491
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:59,390
moreover reports of unidentified flying

2492
01:56:03,010 --> 01:56:00,800
objects which could affect national

2493
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:03,020
security are made in accordance with

2494
01:56:09,130 --> 01:56:06,410
janap 146 or airforce manual 5511 and

2495
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:09,140
are not part of the Blue Book system

2496
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,840
that was attachment 10 that is one of

2497
01:56:16,770 --> 01:56:13,520
the most important lines of that entire

2498
01:56:20,170 --> 01:56:16,780
memo because the the now the concept is

2499
01:56:22,510 --> 01:56:20,180
where did they go so when I had read

2500
01:56:24,850 --> 01:56:22,520
about this memo what I did was kind of

2501
01:56:27,460 --> 01:56:24,860
explore that Jan up 146 what does that

2502
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:27,470
mean in the acronym stands for joint

2503
01:56:32,170 --> 01:56:30,320
Army Navy Air Force publication and then

2504
01:56:34,930 --> 01:56:32,180
that Air Force manual both have been

2505
01:56:36,430 --> 01:56:34,940
rescinded since the you know this time

2506
01:56:39,130 --> 01:56:36,440
frame meaning they're no longer on the

2507
01:56:41,020 --> 01:56:39,140
books but that has been that public line

2508
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:41,030
and that goes back to my story about Air

2509
01:56:47,410 --> 01:56:45,110
Force manual 10-2 0-6 which the public

2510
01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:47,420
line was we're not interested in UFOs

2511
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:49,880
anymore so Air Force manual

2512
01:56:56,500 --> 01:56:53,840
55:11 went away and janap 146 he stayed

2513
01:56:59,470 --> 01:56:56,510
around for a little while but that was

2514
01:57:01,870 --> 01:56:59,480
ultimately rescinded so that had been

2515
01:57:04,660 --> 01:57:01,880
that public line until what when I

2516
01:57:07,300 --> 01:57:04,670
discovered Air Force manual 10 - to 0-6

2517
01:57:10,090 --> 01:57:07,310
so to those listening if this sounds

2518
01:57:12,399 --> 01:57:10,100
tedious it absolutely is and that is the

2519
01:57:14,590 --> 01:57:12,409
challenge when trying to put all of

2520
01:57:18,129 --> 01:57:14,600
these pieces of the puzzle together and

2521
01:57:20,919 --> 01:57:18,139
to try and make a cohesive timeline of

2522
01:57:23,020 --> 01:57:20,929
how all of this rolled out but the

2523
01:57:25,689 --> 01:57:23,030
Bolender memo solidified the project

2524
01:57:28,660 --> 01:57:25,699
Bluebook did not see the important

2525
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:28,670
things now that any scientific study on

2526
01:57:33,939 --> 01:57:32,330
anything you cannot withhold evidence if

2527
01:57:36,910 --> 01:57:33,949
you're trying to draw a conclusion

2528
01:57:39,010 --> 01:57:36,920
you just can't so if you're telling me

2529
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:39,020
that there is a scientific investigation

2530
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:41,090
known as Project Blue Book and they saw

2531
01:57:44,050 --> 01:57:42,770
UFO reports and they tried to get an

2532
01:57:46,540 --> 01:57:44,060
answer and their conclusion was that

2533
01:57:48,250 --> 01:57:46,550
there was nothing to it and in your next

2534
01:57:49,390 --> 01:57:48,260
breath behind the scenes you're stating

2535
01:57:51,399 --> 01:57:49,400
yeah but they didn't get all the

2536
01:57:53,860 --> 01:57:51,409
evidence that means the conclusion is

2537
01:57:56,250 --> 01:57:53,870
not that that means you cannot conclude

2538
01:57:58,899 --> 01:57:56,260
anything if you're withholding evidence

2539
01:58:01,209 --> 01:57:58,909
because the whole point of Project Blue

2540
01:58:03,370 --> 01:58:01,219
Book was to tell the public there is no

2541
01:58:05,260 --> 01:58:03,380
threat to national security yet behind

2542
01:58:06,939 --> 01:58:05,270
the scenes are saying those that do

2543
01:58:09,010 --> 01:58:06,949
affect national security they're going

2544
01:58:11,500 --> 01:58:09,020
over to that building instead you know I

2545
01:58:13,870 --> 01:58:11,510
mean none of that makes sense nor does

2546
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:13,880
it support a scientific approach to this

2547
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:16,310
to this phenomena at all and the

2548
01:58:22,270 --> 01:58:19,040
bolander memo definitely solidified that

2549
01:58:24,820 --> 01:58:22,280
let's take a break right here our guest

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tonight John Greenwald the black vault

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his new book is called inside the black

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vault you can go to inside the black

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Greenwald the black vault of course it

2672
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:46,230
is the black vault calm the links are

2673
02:03:51,290 --> 02:03:48,000
over at Jimmy Church radio calm the new

2674
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:51,300
book is called inside the black vault

2675
02:03:59,120 --> 02:03:54,450
and that website is inside the black

2676
02:04:03,410 --> 02:03:59,130
vault calm now John I want to switch

2677
02:04:07,660 --> 02:04:03,420
gears but before we do what does it feel

2678
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:07,670
like when you know that there is a CIA

2679
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:13,170
employee right now with address labels

2680
02:04:17,180 --> 02:04:14,730
for John Greenwald

2681
02:04:19,010 --> 02:04:17,190
in their desk drawer right I mean what

2682
02:04:21,620 --> 02:04:19,020
does that feel like when you posted

2683
02:04:23,540 --> 02:04:21,630
those images last year of that big box

2684
02:04:26,270 --> 02:04:23,550
from the CIA that arrived at the house

2685
02:04:28,220 --> 02:04:26,280
that that kind of creeped me out a

2686
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:28,230
little bit but it was pretty exciting

2687
02:04:32,630 --> 02:04:30,300
nonetheless but I don't think anybody

2688
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:32,640
wants to receive mail from the CIA do

2689
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:36,210
they well I do I'll take it every day if

2690
02:04:41,090 --> 02:04:39,360
I could it's it's a little creepy to

2691
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:41,100
think about but you know what I mean

2692
02:04:46,340 --> 02:04:42,570
there's a lot of nice people and a lot

2693
02:04:48,380 --> 02:04:46,350
of these agencies the CIA it became real

2694
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:48,390
challenging last year that box became a

2695
02:04:55,820 --> 02:04:51,690
pretty big news story at the end of 2018

2696
02:04:59,660 --> 02:04:55,830
and those were literally thousands of

2697
02:05:03,790 --> 02:04:59,670
pages of MKULTRA material that that

2698
02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:03,800
shouldn't have existed and it is a long

2699
02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:07,800
tale that stretched years of fighting

2700
02:05:12,020 --> 02:05:10,110
and so I know that they I know firsthand

2701
02:05:14,420 --> 02:05:12,030
that they were not happy about how that

2702
02:05:16,730 --> 02:05:14,430
came about and so getting the mail

2703
02:05:18,860 --> 02:05:16,740
doesn't bother me it's when you try and

2704
02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:18,870
talk to and this was documented in the

2705
02:05:25,070 --> 02:05:21,510
media too that the FOIA case officer

2706
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:25,080
wouldn't even give me his name and I out

2707
02:05:28,700 --> 02:05:26,490
of all the agencies that I've ever dealt

2708
02:05:31,250 --> 02:05:28,710
with I've never had that before it was

2709
02:05:33,470 --> 02:05:31,260
just silliness but yeah it makes you a

2710
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:33,480
little bit you know you're shifting your

2711
02:05:36,530 --> 02:05:34,890
chair a little bit when you're talking

2712
02:05:38,570 --> 02:05:36,540
to somebody and he refuses to give you

2713
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:38,580
his name and it's like just make up

2714
02:05:42,350 --> 02:05:40,170
something let me call you Mike you know

2715
02:05:45,740 --> 02:05:42,360
and yet that's what I had to deal with

2716
02:05:47,420 --> 02:05:45,750
so I try not to get paranoid but there

2717
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:47,430
is a point where you just kind of squirm

2718
02:05:50,330 --> 02:05:49,290
in your chair a little bit go I hope I'm

2719
02:05:54,020 --> 02:05:50,340
not making a mistake

2720
02:05:56,839 --> 02:05:54,030
my life like anything else John do you

2721
02:06:00,290 --> 02:05:56,849
have you have you built personal

2722
02:06:02,209 --> 02:06:00,300
relationships with a few individuals at

2723
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:02,219
these agencies when a year when you're

2724
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:04,050
trying to get to the bottom of some of

2725
02:06:07,879 --> 02:06:05,520
these documents do you have people that

2726
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:07,889
that take your phone calls

2727
02:06:12,770 --> 02:06:10,710
oh yeah and I feel that there's a

2728
02:06:15,500 --> 02:06:12,780
personal relationship they may hate me

2729
02:06:18,290 --> 02:06:15,510
down to my core but but no I think that

2730
02:06:20,330 --> 02:06:18,300
there's a lot of and more than a few

2731
02:06:22,580 --> 02:06:20,340
again I want to give credit because I

2732
02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:22,590
know that they deal with a lot you know

2733
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:26,520
just dealing with me as a lot so that I

2734
02:06:30,530 --> 02:06:28,110
give them a lot of respect for because I

2735
02:06:32,810 --> 02:06:30,540
you know I push I bought but legally but

2736
02:06:34,729 --> 02:06:32,820
I push for records but I'm not the only

2737
02:06:36,740 --> 02:06:34,739
one yeah and some of these agencies

2738
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:36,750
literally get thousands and thousands of

2739
02:06:40,850 --> 02:06:39,690
requests a year and so they don't only

2740
02:06:42,589 --> 02:06:40,860
have to deal with me they deal with

2741
02:06:45,649 --> 02:06:42,599
thousands of other people that are

2742
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:45,659
pushing and and and creating a workload

2743
02:06:49,459 --> 02:06:47,760
so I've always tried to appreciate that

2744
02:06:52,910 --> 02:06:49,469
I've always tried to have personal

2745
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:52,920
relationships with the agencies and

2746
02:06:56,439 --> 02:06:54,719
sometimes it doesn't always work I mean

2747
02:06:58,280 --> 02:06:56,449
I'd like to think that I have a

2748
02:07:00,560 --> 02:06:58,290
relationship with one or two of the

2749
02:07:04,399 --> 02:07:00,570
officers at the CIA but sadly I don't

2750
02:07:07,010 --> 02:07:04,409
think so just because I know that when

2751
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,020
you get media attention and you profile

2752
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:09,599
something that makes an agency look bad

2753
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:11,520
I don't want to just pick on the CIA and

2754
02:07:15,169 --> 02:07:13,199
there's been a lot of you know media

2755
02:07:17,330 --> 02:07:15,179
stories that are profiled documents that

2756
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:17,340
I've come out with not just on UFOs but

2757
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:19,290
a lot of things and so when you're

2758
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,810
making an agency not necessarily look on

2759
02:07:26,479 --> 02:07:24,480
the up-and-up and that is a challenge

2760
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,489
for me because I don't want to make

2761
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:28,800
people look bad but it's important

2762
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:31,380
history but the result of that is that

2763
02:07:36,050 --> 02:07:33,810
you know they probably don't like you

2764
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:36,060
that much because you're getting the

2765
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:37,920
dirt out there and the Freedom of

2766
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:40,290
Information Act that generates these

2767
02:07:45,649 --> 02:07:43,170
these fines and these nuggets of truth

2768
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:45,659
and history and it's all fascinating

2769
02:07:50,689 --> 02:07:48,719
sometimes it's hard to publish it you

2770
02:07:53,450 --> 02:07:50,699
know and and I know that last year when

2771
02:07:55,010 --> 02:07:53,460
I'm you know releasing documents that I

2772
02:07:58,129 --> 02:07:55,020
do I have no evidence that they've been

2773
02:07:59,720 --> 02:07:58,139
released before the CIA tried to tell me

2774
02:08:02,180 --> 02:07:59,730
they were and I believe that I've proven

2775
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:02,190
that false but that they were implanting

2776
02:08:06,530 --> 02:08:03,930
chips into the brains

2777
02:08:09,110 --> 02:08:06,540
dogs and trying to remote-control them

2778
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:09,120
and we're successful at it just to give

2779
02:08:13,850 --> 02:08:12,090
you a very quick synopsis that's dirty

2780
02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:13,860
laundry you know I mean this and this

2781
02:08:17,870 --> 02:08:15,570
was in the 60s and they were

2782
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:17,880
successfully doing that and so then that

2783
02:08:22,670 --> 02:08:19,320
begs the question what are they doing

2784
02:08:24,770 --> 02:08:22,680
today that's dirty laundry and so sadly

2785
02:08:27,500 --> 02:08:24,780
as a result I don't think I'm on their

2786
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,510
Christmas list every year but I do try

2787
02:08:32,750 --> 02:08:29,760
and work hard to to be on that list how

2788
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:32,760
does it work you know that there are

2789
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:35,850
many out there that try to attempt to

2790
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:38,970
foil release and their letter is

2791
02:08:44,450 --> 02:08:41,850
something like send me everything on the

2792
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:44,460
UFO subject right and and all if the

2793
02:08:51,170 --> 02:08:47,130
letter goes that's not how it works is

2794
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:51,180
it how do you approach getting documents

2795
02:08:56,720 --> 02:08:55,050
released it's a it's a tough line to

2796
02:08:58,850 --> 02:08:56,730
skate because you want to be broad

2797
02:09:01,580 --> 02:08:58,860
enough that you're not missing anything

2798
02:09:04,700 --> 02:09:01,590
but not too specific because then they

2799
02:09:06,500 --> 02:09:04,710
will not give you some things that you

2800
02:09:08,990 --> 02:09:06,510
want so if you get dates wrong if you

2801
02:09:11,060 --> 02:09:09,000
get names wrong again those specifics

2802
02:09:13,460 --> 02:09:11,070
may come back and haunt you you have to

2803
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:13,470
escape the line between the two and if

2804
02:09:17,870 --> 02:09:15,360
you're too broad like give me everything

2805
02:09:20,300 --> 02:09:17,880
you got on you know blue book or

2806
02:09:22,670 --> 02:09:20,310
something like to that effect

2807
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:22,680
that's kind of a silly example but the

2808
02:09:27,230 --> 02:09:24,450
result would be tens of thousands of

2809
02:09:29,390 --> 02:09:27,240
pages and so they reject your requests

2810
02:09:31,610 --> 02:09:29,400
based on the fact that it's too broad so

2811
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:31,620
you have to find the language that

2812
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:33,300
rounds it down to something that's not

2813
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:36,000
burdensome which is the the legal

2814
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:37,890
language that they'll use to reject it

2815
02:09:42,590 --> 02:09:40,560
so it's not too burdensome but not

2816
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:42,600
specific enough that you're going to

2817
02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:45,690
miss something and and it's not easy and

2818
02:09:51,050 --> 02:09:47,970
it depends on agency to agency they all

2819
02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:51,060
play different games some are very very

2820
02:09:56,270 --> 02:09:53,400
genuine and they want to process your

2821
02:09:58,190 --> 02:09:56,280
request while others are so fed up with

2822
02:10:00,830 --> 02:09:58,200
FOIA requesters they want to change the

2823
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:00,840
law Department of Interior was trying to

2824
02:10:07,370 --> 02:10:02,970
change the law last year to put limits

2825
02:10:10,700 --> 02:10:07,380
on non FOIA requesters and so you do a

2826
02:10:12,980 --> 02:10:10,710
push back to a public law and a right

2827
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:12,990
that you and I and actually everybody on

2828
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:14,290
the planet

2829
02:10:18,450 --> 02:10:15,850
you don't have to be an American they

2830
02:10:20,100 --> 02:10:18,460
use the FOIA and they're trying to push

2831
02:10:23,160 --> 02:10:20,110
but some agencies are trying to push

2832
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:23,170
back and limit what we can do and what

2833
02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:26,650
we can access and so going back to your

2834
02:10:30,630 --> 02:10:28,690
question and it's it's a very tough one

2835
02:10:33,410 --> 02:10:30,640
to answer because every agency is

2836
02:10:35,940 --> 02:10:33,420
different in how they treat you why

2837
02:10:39,750 --> 02:10:35,950
Antarctica I just want to talk about

2838
02:10:42,630 --> 02:10:39,760
this briefly there is that's the biggest

2839
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:42,640
chatter right now as you know in the UFO

2840
02:10:47,670 --> 02:10:44,170
community you know what's going on in

2841
02:10:51,630 --> 02:10:47,680
Antarctica have you done anything in in

2842
02:10:54,090 --> 02:10:51,640
that area well I mean Highjump

2843
02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:54,100
in Antarctica I mean Highjump I've gone

2844
02:10:58,830 --> 02:10:56,320
after documents on on high jump if

2845
02:11:02,450 --> 02:10:58,840
that's what you mean that that's part of

2846
02:11:04,620 --> 02:11:02,460
it and then we have all of the modern

2847
02:11:07,229 --> 02:11:04,630
you know going back to whistleblowers

2848
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:07,239
and things that are happening today that

2849
02:11:12,209 --> 02:11:09,850
there are things that have been

2850
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:12,219
discovered since high jump and the

2851
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:13,930
reason for going down there was high

2852
02:11:21,900 --> 02:11:17,650
jump is there is there a way to go about

2853
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:21,910
that to see if we do have specific teams

2854
02:11:27,060 --> 02:11:24,730
down there doing archaeological stuff

2855
02:11:31,260 --> 02:11:27,070
and if there is stuff indeed underneath

2856
02:11:33,660 --> 02:11:31,270
the ice I mean it's it's a tough one

2857
02:11:36,959 --> 02:11:33,670
unless you find some kind of shred of

2858
02:11:38,580 --> 02:11:36,969
evidence that they you know have a ship

2859
02:11:40,740 --> 02:11:38,590
down there or a vehicle down there or

2860
02:11:46,170 --> 02:11:40,750
something that that launches you I mean

2861
02:11:48,540 --> 02:11:46,180
high jump was a massive operation in in

2862
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:48,550
in the late 1940s that was going down

2863
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:50,650
there so they couldn't hide it so we're

2864
02:11:55,229 --> 02:11:53,440
able to go after documents I'd have to

2865
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:55,239
know a little bit more of exactly what

2866
02:12:00,750 --> 02:11:57,090
you're talking about there are specific

2867
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:00,760
pieces of evidence reports media reports

2868
02:12:06,479 --> 02:12:03,730
all of those types of pieces of evidence

2869
02:12:09,950 --> 02:12:06,489
from the public world from the public

2870
02:12:12,270 --> 02:12:09,960
domain can be used to then spawn a

2871
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:12,280
Freedom of Information Act request to

2872
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:14,410
whatever agency or all of them I mean

2873
02:12:18,780 --> 02:12:16,480
when whenever you're in doubt if there's

2874
02:12:20,850 --> 02:12:18,790
any FOIA hounds out there that want to

2875
02:12:23,850 --> 02:12:20,860
learn if you're ever in doubt on what

2876
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:23,860
agency to send it to it really doesn't

2877
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:25,810
hurt to send it to you know a couple of

2878
02:12:29,640 --> 02:12:27,760
them or all of them

2879
02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:29,650
you know to try and find information so

2880
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:31,630
I it's a tough one to answer because I

2881
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:32,890
don't know exactly where you're going

2882
02:12:36,120 --> 02:12:34,239
with that with the details but you'd

2883
02:12:38,850 --> 02:12:36,130
have to you'd have to use something as a

2884
02:12:41,490 --> 02:12:38,860
launching point to file the request and

2885
02:12:42,630 --> 02:12:41,500
see where you end up and then you you

2886
02:12:46,020 --> 02:12:42,640
morph it accordingly

2887
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:46,030
okay so for instance and I'm looking at

2888
02:12:49,229 --> 02:12:47,890
the clock and we are quickly running out

2889
02:12:50,610 --> 02:12:49,239
of time and we've got so much more to

2890
02:12:53,910 --> 02:12:50,620
talk about but something like the

2891
02:12:57,500 --> 02:12:53,920
pyramid right that has been reported to

2892
02:13:00,060 --> 02:12:57,510
be down in Antarctica is there a way to

2893
02:13:02,340 --> 02:13:00,070
you know just with that knowledge where

2894
02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:02,350
would you go to with that would you go

2895
02:13:09,420 --> 02:13:05,680
to I don't know the Smithsonian almost

2896
02:13:12,930 --> 02:13:09,430
who would do the the research on that

2897
02:13:15,479 --> 02:13:12,940
oh yeah that's again a tough one to

2898
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:15,489
answer I mean you you it you would just

2899
02:13:18,690 --> 02:13:17,290
have to kind of dig in a little bit to

2900
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:18,700
see if there's any shred of evidence

2901
02:13:22,770 --> 02:13:21,280
that there is an interest and if there

2902
02:13:24,060 --> 02:13:22,780
is an interest and an interest by who

2903
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:24,070
and go from there

2904
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:26,050
it's a tedious process don't get me

2905
02:13:31,220 --> 02:13:27,730
right where was an easy answer for you

2906
02:13:34,350 --> 02:13:31,230
on what agency might potentially do that

2907
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:34,360
but you can you can fit research into

2908
02:13:38,580 --> 02:13:36,730
into every military agency if you wanted

2909
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:38,590
to if they had an interest in it but

2910
02:13:43,590 --> 02:13:40,170
again you need that evidence to show

2911
02:13:48,930 --> 02:13:43,600
something to spawn that FOIA request now

2912
02:13:51,630 --> 02:13:48,940
where are we today in in the agencies

2913
02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:51,640
and the Pentagon you've been releasing

2914
02:14:00,360 --> 02:13:55,270
and doing a lot of requests lately about

2915
02:14:02,970 --> 02:14:00,370
current projects that are are said to

2916
02:14:07,740 --> 02:14:02,980
exist within the military-industrial

2917
02:14:11,010 --> 02:14:07,750
complex so where are we today is the

2918
02:14:14,970 --> 02:14:11,020
Pentagon is the military is the CIA

2919
02:14:19,500 --> 02:14:14,980
today interested in UFOs and continuing

2920
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:19,510
the investigation my safest assumption

2921
02:14:23,010 --> 02:14:21,730
would be yes the proof that I had that

2922
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:23,020
they were still interested obviously

2923
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:24,970
they covered that up with the Air Force

2924
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:28,210
connection there are certain things like

2925
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:31,170
in the I have one chapter about the

2926
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:33,040
nuclear what I call the nuclear

2927
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:35,890
connection between UFOs and so I went to

2928
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:38,410
the Nuclear Regulatory Commission or the

2929
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:41,170
NRC and to my surprise

2930
02:14:46,650 --> 02:14:43,530
was able to uncover documents about a

2931
02:14:48,060 --> 02:14:46,660
UFO encounter at Cooper nuclear station

2932
02:14:50,419 --> 02:14:48,070
that occurred that had never really been

2933
02:14:52,500 --> 02:14:50,429
out before in a security guard who was

2934
02:14:55,590 --> 02:14:52,510
there when it happened they never

2935
02:14:58,200 --> 02:14:55,600
reported it but he felt that after years

2936
02:15:00,240 --> 02:14:58,210
had passed that he should and so he

2937
02:15:04,130 --> 02:15:00,250
actually filed official report and the

2938
02:15:07,830 --> 02:15:04,140
NRC took it you know very seriously and

2939
02:15:10,140 --> 02:15:07,840
and and they filed the report and and it

2940
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:10,150
ended up being on a need-to-know basis

2941
02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:12,210
so I believe that there is still

2942
02:15:18,030 --> 02:15:15,300
interest in it and by the way the the

2943
02:15:20,370 --> 02:15:18,040
documentation that existed was from 2010

2944
02:15:22,169 --> 02:15:20,380
so I'm not going back to the 1950s

2945
02:15:24,030 --> 02:15:22,179
making a discovery like that I mean this

2946
02:15:26,250 --> 02:15:24,040
is you know in the last 10 years or so

2947
02:15:27,660 --> 02:15:26,260
so there's there's definitely an

2948
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:27,670
interest from a national security

2949
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:31,090
standpoint as there should be and that

2950
02:15:34,979 --> 02:15:32,650
was one of the biggest things that I

2951
02:15:36,900 --> 02:15:34,989
feel that even I taught myself when I

2952
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:36,910
was writing this book on how much

2953
02:15:41,250 --> 02:15:38,320
evidence there is to show that there is

2954
02:15:44,580 --> 02:15:41,260
a massive national security threat that

2955
02:15:47,340 --> 02:15:44,590
leads into now the big debate away from

2956
02:15:49,979 --> 02:15:47,350
Cooper nuclear station in Nebraska about

2957
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:49,989
the document I just talked about and now

2958
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:52,719
leads into this whole debate about a tip

2959
02:15:59,209 --> 02:15:55,679
and this is a very if you follow it

2960
02:16:02,160 --> 02:15:59,219
fairly controversial controversial

2961
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:02,170
discussion on whether or not a tip was

2962
02:16:08,300 --> 02:16:05,679
UFO related and you know I have been

2963
02:16:12,180 --> 02:16:08,310
kind of branded as the skeptic on this

2964
02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:12,190
but I am digging hard for documents to

2965
02:16:18,540 --> 02:16:15,070
kind of back up the current claims and

2966
02:16:20,250 --> 02:16:18,550
obviously the the biggest spokesperson

2967
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:20,260
for this story would be mr. Lewis

2968
02:16:25,820 --> 02:16:22,960
Elizondo the man that we have seen all

2969
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:25,830
throughout the media since December of

2970
02:16:30,959 --> 02:16:29,290
2017 when the story broke now the way I

2971
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:30,969
approach it going back to the beginning

2972
02:16:34,500 --> 02:16:33,130
of our conversation is that journalistic

2973
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:34,510
standard I don't claim to be a

2974
02:16:38,820 --> 02:16:36,370
journalist I've already said that but

2975
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:38,830
again adopting that principle to try and

2976
02:16:46,140 --> 02:16:42,729
figure out what documentation if any can

2977
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:46,150
support the claims and there's a lot of

2978
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:49,170
reaction from the general public on that

2979
02:16:53,990 --> 02:16:51,610
pursuit some people just want to believe

2980
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:54,000
him and that's enough and that's what

2981
02:16:58,129 --> 02:16:55,200
I've never said that there's anything

2982
02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:58,139
wrong with that but if you follow the

2983
02:17:03,379 --> 02:17:00,719
evidence of what not only mr. Elizondo

2984
02:17:05,660 --> 02:17:03,389
has said but even Senator Harry Reid and

2985
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:05,670
Harry Reid is the one I'll really quote

2986
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:07,679
here is that there is more than 80

2987
02:17:12,019 --> 02:17:10,410
percent or 80 percent plus of the

2988
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:12,029
information related to a tip that is

2989
02:17:15,860 --> 02:17:14,250
unclassified that means there's a lot of

2990
02:17:17,719 --> 02:17:15,870
documents there so we shouldn't give up

2991
02:17:19,940 --> 02:17:17,729
you know I mean unless Senator Reid is

2992
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:19,950
wrong I don't know who wants to argue

2993
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:22,130
that point but we have a lot of

2994
02:17:25,969 --> 02:17:24,479
unclassified information for us to

2995
02:17:28,669 --> 02:17:25,979
access and that's what I'm pushing for

2996
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:28,679
and last week I had a pretty big triumph

2997
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:31,410
actually two of them which goes back to

2998
02:17:35,690 --> 02:17:34,080
my first interview with you about this

2999
02:17:38,530 --> 02:17:35,700
where we went and much much more in

3000
02:17:41,870 --> 02:17:38,540
depth but when I received the original

3001
02:17:44,059 --> 02:17:41,880
denial of no records from the Secretary

3002
02:17:46,969 --> 02:17:44,069
of Defense's office and that is where

3003
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:46,979
mr. Elizondo has said that he has worked

3004
02:17:51,290 --> 02:17:49,170
now even though I've talked about that

3005
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:51,300
request and you know according to the

3006
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,410
government the Defense Intelligence

3007
02:17:57,370 --> 02:17:54,479
Agency is the one to release these

3008
02:17:59,780 --> 02:17:57,380
documents I immediately filed an appeal

3009
02:18:02,150 --> 02:17:59,790
now the letters that I have outstanding

3010
02:18:03,559 --> 02:18:02,160
I generally don't talk about I might

3011
02:18:05,719 --> 02:18:03,569
make reference to it real quick but I

3012
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:05,729
don't dive deep into it because I wanted

3013
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:07,679
to play out before I start making claims

3014
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:11,760
and from December of 2017 all the way

3015
02:18:20,809 --> 02:18:15,120
through to the beginning of last week on

3016
02:18:23,450 --> 02:18:20,819
march 18 2019 I got a response letter

3017
02:18:25,700 --> 02:18:23,460
and my appeal was granted and that's a

3018
02:18:27,169 --> 02:18:25,710
pretty big win under FOIA and my appeal

3019
02:18:30,530 --> 02:18:27,179
was the fact that they said that they

3020
02:18:32,750 --> 02:18:30,540
had no records on a tip and then later

3021
02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:32,760
stated anything related to a tip was

3022
02:18:42,889 --> 02:18:39,709
okay so let's want the audience to

3023
02:18:46,269 --> 02:18:42,899
understand what you're saying here we're

3024
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:46,279
talking about two different agencies

3025
02:18:54,740 --> 02:18:50,639
where these records would possibly lie

3026
02:18:58,250 --> 02:18:54,750
the first search you did was with what

3027
02:19:00,049 --> 02:18:58,260
agency the one that mr. Elizondo said

3028
02:19:01,370 --> 02:19:00,059
that he worked at which is the office of

3029
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:01,380
the Secretary of Defense

3030
02:19:06,090 --> 02:19:04,649
OSD you say OSD yeah that's I want these

3031
02:19:10,170 --> 02:19:06,100
monikers correct

3032
02:19:13,800 --> 02:19:10,180
everybody understands Elizondo was OSD

3033
02:19:17,610 --> 02:19:13,810
and that's where you went originally was

3034
02:19:20,220 --> 02:19:17,620
to OSD correct and and I did that in

3035
02:19:21,900 --> 02:19:20,230
October of 2017 list when to the stars

3036
02:19:24,270 --> 02:19:21,910
did their press conference and mr.

3037
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:24,280
Elizondo was introduced to the world a

3038
02:19:28,650 --> 02:19:26,890
tip I didn't have a name yet that didn't

3039
02:19:31,380 --> 02:19:28,660
break until December with the New York

3040
02:19:33,930 --> 02:19:31,390
Times article but I quoted him and used

3041
02:19:36,661 --> 02:19:33,940
his publicly available testimony to

3042
02:19:39,331 --> 02:19:36,671
describe the program it came up with a

3043
02:19:41,610 --> 02:19:39,341
no records response after December came

3044
02:19:44,071 --> 02:19:41,620
around I had called their their office

3045
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:44,081
and said that it's a tip and that

3046
02:19:48,571 --> 02:19:46,930
spawned off into a dilemma slash

3047
02:19:51,930 --> 02:19:48,581
controversy about the what the actual

3048
02:19:55,711 --> 02:19:51,940
name was but regardless a tip was then

3049
02:19:57,961 --> 02:19:55,721
said to me to be within the Defense

3050
02:20:00,421 --> 02:19:57,971
Intelligence Agency so that's separate

3051
02:20:03,900 --> 02:20:00,431
that OSD and the Defense Intelligence

3052
02:20:05,821 --> 02:20:03,910
Agency you'll hear me say as dia and so

3053
02:20:09,511 --> 02:20:05,831
I immediately filed for your request

3054
02:20:11,671 --> 02:20:09,521
there but at the same time it never made

3055
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:11,681
sense to me that mr. Elizondo working

3056
02:20:17,310 --> 02:20:15,280
for OSD that's what he said would be

3057
02:20:19,171 --> 02:20:17,320
heading a project at another agency

3058
02:20:21,331 --> 02:20:19,181
they're all under the guise of the

3059
02:20:22,951 --> 02:20:21,341
Department of Defense but it never made

3060
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:22,961
sense to me it might be an easy answer

3061
02:20:26,161 --> 02:20:24,490
he might be listening right now and he

3062
02:20:28,831 --> 02:20:26,171
goes John you're being idiot because of

3063
02:20:30,871 --> 02:20:28,841
XYZ great I just don't know of any other

3064
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:30,881
projects as long as I've done this that

3065
02:20:36,270 --> 02:20:33,280
I can reference to say someone from OSD

3066
02:20:39,841 --> 02:20:36,280
is heading another agency's project but

3067
02:20:42,860 --> 02:20:39,851
so I you know filed to dia but at the

3068
02:20:45,241 --> 02:20:42,870
same time I filed the official appeal

3069
02:20:47,491 --> 02:20:45,251
stating the based on the wording of my

3070
02:20:49,921 --> 02:20:47,501
letter there still should be something

3071
02:20:52,501 --> 02:20:49,931
there and it took him till March 18th of

3072
02:20:55,531 --> 02:20:52,511
2019 for them to say your appeal is

3073
02:20:58,470 --> 02:20:55,541
granted and so that's forced them to

3074
02:21:01,381 --> 02:20:58,480
then search for records again here's the

3075
02:21:04,201 --> 02:21:01,391
kicker within two days I had a final

3076
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,211
response to my reopened request and they

3077
02:21:07,650 --> 02:21:06,160
confirmed is the first time in a FOIA

3078
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:07,660
letter that they confirm that mr.

3079
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:10,450
Elizondo worked for them and retired in

3080
02:21:16,591 --> 02:21:14,650
or around of October 2017 date so that

3081
02:21:19,960 --> 02:21:16,601
matched up with what he was saying but

3082
02:21:23,770 --> 02:21:19,970
they they did not do a search for

3083
02:21:26,290 --> 02:21:23,780
so i appealed again and so it was kind

3084
02:21:28,660 --> 02:21:26,300
of a win on two ways because they said

3085
02:21:31,660 --> 02:21:28,670
yes he worked here but we don't know

3086
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:31,670
anything about any program dealing with

3087
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:34,490
you know unidentified aerial threats so

3088
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:36,290
they stood by the fact that there was no

3089
02:21:42,430 --> 02:21:39,200
quote-unquote UFO aspect to this and I

3090
02:21:44,350 --> 02:21:42,440
didn't say UFO uh you know there's a lot

3091
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:44,360
of again people out there that try to

3092
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:46,010
attack and they say well if you go for

3093
02:21:51,130 --> 02:21:49,040
UFO information they've changed the

3094
02:21:53,410 --> 02:21:51,140
keyword and they change the acronym the

3095
02:21:55,210 --> 02:21:53,420
way that our word requests are not going

3096
02:21:57,640 --> 02:21:55,220
after UFO documents when it comes to a

3097
02:22:00,880 --> 02:21:57,650
tip right so that argument does not

3098
02:22:02,950 --> 02:22:00,890
stand true it can't be true and so they

3099
02:22:04,810 --> 02:22:02,960
confirmed in their letter that that they

3100
02:22:06,490 --> 02:22:04,820
know nothing about what he is talking

3101
02:22:08,410 --> 02:22:06,500
about about the unidentified aerial

3102
02:22:10,120 --> 02:22:08,420
threats whether that's a lie or not I

3103
02:22:12,580 --> 02:22:10,130
don't know but I'm just stating what

3104
02:22:14,261 --> 02:22:12,590
they said but they said in the same

3105
02:22:16,060 --> 02:22:14,271
letter they did not conduct another

3106
02:22:17,560 --> 02:22:16,070
search because they just basically

3107
02:22:19,900 --> 02:22:17,570
assumption that they just didn't have

3108
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:19,910
anything so I turned around and filed a

3109
02:22:25,270 --> 02:22:22,610
second appeal and I won that appeal last

3110
02:22:27,970 --> 02:22:25,280
week now no matter what you think about

3111
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:27,980
a tip and mr. Elizondo and was it or

3112
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,130
wasn't a UFO program that's a big win

3113
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:33,760
for everyone including to the stars

3114
02:22:41,980 --> 02:22:37,130
because there are two years of documents

3115
02:22:43,870 --> 02:22:41,990
on a tip from 2010 to 2012 better at OSD

3116
02:22:46,930 --> 02:22:43,880
they just doesn't mean that's just how

3117
02:22:50,380 --> 02:22:46,940
the government works and you know it's a

3118
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:50,390
very long journey here since I started

3119
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:53,120
this but it is confirmed that OSD had it

3120
02:22:59,740 --> 02:22:57,200
from 2010 to 2012 so the argument that

3121
02:23:02,350 --> 02:22:59,750
they said it was all dia was bunk and

3122
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:02,360
that's why I won my appeal and then I

3123
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:04,640
won my second appeal based on the fact

3124
02:23:09,250 --> 02:23:05,450
they didn't do what they were supposed

3125
02:23:17,430 --> 02:23:09,260
to do he was confirmed to work for OSD

3126
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:17,440
or dia OSD OSD and the original dia

3127
02:23:25,900 --> 02:23:22,970
misdirection that came from Elizondo no

3128
02:23:27,970 --> 02:23:25,910
in fairness that was OSD that told me

3129
02:23:30,011 --> 02:23:27,980
that the Defense Intelligence Agency

3130
02:23:32,791 --> 02:23:30,021
here's another acronym for you would be

3131
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:32,801
what's called the OPR so the OPR is the

3132
02:23:38,161 --> 02:23:35,650
primary responsibility for declassifying

3133
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:38,171
a document so very quickly if a CIA

3134
02:23:43,081 --> 02:23:40,570
creates a document and they forwarded to

3135
02:23:44,970 --> 02:23:43,091
the State Department and the army or me

3136
02:23:46,621 --> 02:23:44,980
you know whomever if you request that

3137
02:23:49,291 --> 02:23:46,631
document from the State Department or

3138
02:23:51,331 --> 02:23:49,301
the army or whomever they have to revert

3139
02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:51,341
it back to the CIA because they authored

3140
02:23:56,131 --> 02:23:53,650
it and they're the OPR so they were

3141
02:23:58,411 --> 02:23:56,141
claiming that dia was the OPR for

3142
02:24:00,301 --> 02:23:58,421
everything related to the 8a program

3143
02:24:02,941 --> 02:24:00,311
right and I fought it because that

3144
02:24:06,331 --> 02:24:02,951
didn't make sense I and I I I fought

3145
02:24:08,041 --> 02:24:06,341
that immediately in December of 2017 it

3146
02:24:10,651 --> 02:24:08,051
took that long to get the appeal granted

3147
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:10,661
so it was it was a pretty big win but it

3148
02:24:18,060 --> 02:24:14,650
was OSD that that led it to dia now

3149
02:24:21,241 --> 02:24:18,070
here's where I will also add that mr.

3150
02:24:23,551 --> 02:24:21,251
Elizondo has added to the confusion in a

3151
02:24:25,981 --> 02:24:23,561
recent lecture that that I watched the

3152
02:24:29,191 --> 02:24:25,991
video of that's been put online somebody

3153
02:24:30,390 --> 02:24:29,201
had asked him from the audience that you

3154
02:24:33,060 --> 02:24:30,400
know if you're filing FOIA requests

3155
02:24:34,470 --> 02:24:33,070
where should you go and he a pair of

3156
02:24:36,291 --> 02:24:34,480
phrasing but he essentially said if I

3157
02:24:39,810 --> 02:24:36,301
was a betting man I would stick with dia

3158
02:24:42,961 --> 02:24:39,820
now that to me makes absolutely no sense

3159
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:42,971
because it is documented including mr.

3160
02:24:46,921 --> 02:24:44,650
elizondo's words I mean I'm not I'm not

3161
02:24:49,890 --> 02:24:46,931
saying the government says it mister

3162
02:24:51,901 --> 02:24:49,900
Elizondo says it from 2010 to 2012 and

3163
02:24:54,481 --> 02:24:51,911
in fact he says it's still continued

3164
02:24:55,470 --> 02:24:54,491
after that date when it was cancelled it

3165
02:24:58,140 --> 02:24:55,480
was at OSD

3166
02:25:01,591 --> 02:24:58,150
what that means is is that now OSD

3167
02:25:04,711 --> 02:25:01,601
becomes the OPR for documents dated 2010

3168
02:25:07,470 --> 02:25:04,721
to 2012 why would he have the answer to

3169
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:07,480
shift everybody to dia I don't know well

3170
02:25:13,501 --> 02:25:10,570
whatever gonna speculate on that and I

3171
02:25:15,381 --> 02:25:13,511
hate to ask you to speculate but yeah

3172
02:25:17,011 --> 02:25:15,391
shouldn't he know the difference

3173
02:25:18,991 --> 02:25:17,021
absolutely

3174
02:25:20,821 --> 02:25:19,001
and I'm confident he does I don't want

3175
02:25:23,491 --> 02:25:20,831
to say his maliciously misleading what I

3176
02:25:25,651 --> 02:25:23,501
want to know is why does he find no

3177
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:25,661
importance to the two years of documents

3178
02:25:32,091 --> 02:25:28,570
at OSD because the dia has gone on the

3179
02:25:35,671 --> 02:25:32,101
record in writing to me that in 2009 the

3180
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:35,681
OSD had reviewed the project the program

3181
02:25:42,961 --> 02:25:40,690
at DIA and they felt that it was not

3182
02:25:46,131 --> 02:25:42,971
producing results and that after that

3183
02:25:48,110 --> 02:25:46,141
nest next fiscal year which was 2010

3184
02:25:50,060 --> 02:25:48,120
they were gonna transfer it out dia

3185
02:25:53,091 --> 02:25:50,070
never told me who but it's obvious it

3186
02:25:55,671 --> 02:25:53,101
was OSD because you know it kind of all

3187
02:25:58,841 --> 02:25:55,681
coincides with that and what mr.

3188
02:26:02,120 --> 02:25:58,851
Elizondo has said so why would he omit

3189
02:26:04,390 --> 02:26:02,130
us meaning FOIA requesters to go after

3190
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:04,400
two years worth of a tip related

3191
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:06,330
documents and I don't know the answer to

3192
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:08,570
that may also have a very easy

3193
02:26:13,730 --> 02:26:11,250
explanation and I'd love to ask him if I

3194
02:26:16,041 --> 02:26:13,740
had the opportunity I've tried for a

3195
02:26:17,870 --> 02:26:16,051
long time to interview them and ask

3196
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:17,880
these questions not combative lis but

3197
02:26:22,881 --> 02:26:20,610
but you know in a friendly way but just

3198
02:26:24,530 --> 02:26:22,891
clarify some of these things because on

3199
02:26:26,631 --> 02:26:24,540
the surface this is this is what I mean

3200
02:26:28,910 --> 02:26:26,641
about there's their surface stories and

3201
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:28,920
then once you start to dig in there are

3202
02:26:34,310 --> 02:26:32,250
questions that arise and maybe just

3203
02:26:36,680 --> 02:26:34,320
maybe questions have very easy answers

3204
02:26:38,570 --> 02:26:36,690
and that's fine but asking those

3205
02:26:40,850 --> 02:26:38,580
questions does not mean that you are

3206
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:40,860
trying to disrespect the story or debunk

3207
02:26:47,450 --> 02:26:43,290
the story or attack anybody's patriotism

3208
02:26:49,820 --> 02:26:47,460
or integrity but sadly some people you

3209
02:26:51,980 --> 02:26:49,830
know believe that and you know there's a

3210
02:26:54,770 --> 02:26:51,990
lot of heat out there from a select

3211
02:26:58,370 --> 02:26:54,780
group of people that are very big fans

3212
02:27:01,160 --> 02:26:58,380
of to the Stars Academy very big fans of

3213
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:01,170
mr. Lewis Elizondo and if you say

3214
02:27:06,350 --> 02:27:03,450
anything that goes against what they are

3215
02:27:09,081 --> 02:27:06,360
saying on the surface you're like a bad

3216
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:09,091
guy and I don't understand that and and

3217
02:27:14,511 --> 02:27:11,370
I and I hope that they I appreciate that

3218
02:27:17,900 --> 02:27:14,521
passion but I hope instead of you know

3219
02:27:20,841 --> 02:27:17,910
attacking me which I've sadly have kind

3220
02:27:23,060 --> 02:27:20,851
of fallen into being a victim of more

3221
02:27:24,740 --> 02:27:23,070
attacks versus discussion I don't mind

3222
02:27:26,961 --> 02:27:24,750
if people disagree with me but the

3223
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:26,971
attacking and it just has to stop funnel

3224
02:27:31,490 --> 02:27:30,000
the passion into finding answers you

3225
02:27:33,171 --> 02:27:31,500
know like I can have an opinion and say

3226
02:27:36,140 --> 02:27:33,181
I really don't believe a tip was UFO

3227
02:27:37,850 --> 02:27:36,150
related what does it matter what I think

3228
02:27:40,341 --> 02:27:37,860
I'm going after the documents to either

3229
02:27:40,671 --> 02:27:40,351
prove or disprove that what I'm worried

3230
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:40,681
about

3231
02:27:45,801 --> 02:27:43,410
at this point now that you know well

3232
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:45,811
more than a year has passed that at this

3233
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:49,290
point the water is so muddy that let's

3234
02:27:52,011 --> 02:27:50,610
just say the government releases

3235
02:27:54,470 --> 02:27:52,021
documents and there's no shred of

3236
02:27:56,780 --> 02:27:54,480
evidence that there's UFOs involved the

3237
02:27:58,910 --> 02:27:56,790
line has been drawn in the sand so

3238
02:27:59,300 --> 02:27:58,920
definitively that you're going to have a

3239
02:28:00,590 --> 02:27:59,310
group of

3240
02:28:02,090 --> 02:28:00,600
people that are just gonna say who cares

3241
02:28:03,319 --> 02:28:02,100
it's still a UFO program they're

3242
02:28:05,240 --> 02:28:03,329
covering it always yeah it's a smoke

3243
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:05,250
right right right

3244
02:28:09,229 --> 02:28:07,050
so so then the question mark is who do

3245
02:28:09,950 --> 02:28:09,239
you believe at that point and I'm not

3246
02:28:11,090 --> 02:28:09,960
saying who to believe

3247
02:28:12,500 --> 02:28:11,100
I'm not saying well that the government

3248
02:28:14,330 --> 02:28:12,510
comes out with that it's gospel no I

3249
02:28:17,149 --> 02:28:14,340
just wrote a book about how what they

3250
02:28:19,010 --> 02:28:17,159
say is not gospel so I'm very open to

3251
02:28:20,569 --> 02:28:19,020
the fact that they're lying but with

3252
02:28:23,780 --> 02:28:20,579
their own documents I've been able to

3253
02:28:24,950 --> 02:28:23,790
prove those lies so even though I you

3254
02:28:27,710 --> 02:28:24,960
know it sounds like I'm contradicting

3255
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:27,720
myself I use government documents to

3256
02:28:32,179 --> 02:28:30,329
prove those lies and so if you believe

3257
02:28:35,090 --> 02:28:32,189
the atyp story that it's largely

3258
02:28:37,700 --> 02:28:35,100
unclassified and Harry Reid's an 80%

3259
02:28:40,250 --> 02:28:37,710
plus is unclassified that just goes

3260
02:28:44,120 --> 02:28:40,260
against decades actually more than a

3261
02:28:46,700 --> 02:28:44,130
half a century of documented true UFO

3262
02:28:48,260 --> 02:28:46,710
documents it rewrites all of that and

3263
02:28:51,080 --> 02:28:48,270
just kind of creates this whole

3264
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:51,090
brand-new narrative to me that doesn't

3265
02:28:55,519 --> 02:28:53,520
make sense so yeah at this point if

3266
02:28:57,889 --> 02:28:55,529
people want to label me skeptical I

3267
02:28:59,300 --> 02:28:57,899
absolutely am but there's nothing wrong

3268
02:29:01,040 --> 02:28:59,310
with that or at least there shouldn't be

3269
02:29:03,500 --> 02:29:01,050
anything wrong with that there's a lot

3270
02:29:06,319 --> 02:29:03,510
of unanswered questions that if you just

3271
02:29:07,939 --> 02:29:06,329
look at the surface story and it makes

3272
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:07,949
me look like a bad guy if you start to

3273
02:29:11,630 --> 02:29:09,449
dig in and realize there's a lot of

3274
02:29:12,979 --> 02:29:11,640
discrepancies then you realize well I

3275
02:29:15,559 --> 02:29:12,989
think we should ask a few more questions

3276
02:29:16,969 --> 02:29:15,569
and keep going after this doesn't mean

3277
02:29:19,399 --> 02:29:16,979
that I'm trying to make anybody look bad

3278
02:29:21,319 --> 02:29:19,409
it just means we need to follow a

3279
02:29:24,410 --> 02:29:21,329
journalistic standard to try and find

3280
02:29:28,849 --> 02:29:24,420
something to confirm what these major

3281
02:29:33,080 --> 02:29:28,859
claims are can I get you to hang on for

3282
02:29:35,389 --> 02:29:33,090
some overtime yeah I'm not I'm not ready

3283
02:29:37,819 --> 02:29:35,399
to stop John I'm sorry we can't do it

3284
02:29:40,040 --> 02:29:37,829
I'm not gonna down here I'm not gonna do

3285
02:29:42,469 --> 02:29:40,050
it I'm not gonna do this is fade to

3286
02:29:44,929 --> 02:29:42,479
black her guest tonight John Greenwald

3287
02:29:46,819 --> 02:29:44,939
and let's just keep it going I'm gonna

3288
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:46,829
pick it up or we're leaving off right

3289
02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:49,170
here stay with us we'll be right back

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this is fade to black

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02:34:46,039 --> 02:34:44,359
all right welcome back fade to black

3379
02:34:49,999 --> 02:34:46,049
I knew this was gonna happen is John

3380
02:34:52,699 --> 02:34:50,009
greenwalt we ran out of time we've got

3381
02:34:55,639 --> 02:34:52,709
to get into some overtime and this is

3382
02:34:57,859 --> 02:34:55,649
this is what's really funny here John we

3383
02:35:04,219 --> 02:34:57,869
had a whole list of stuff tonight and we

3384
02:35:06,499 --> 02:35:04,229
didn't get to any of it all right so I

3385
02:35:08,119 --> 02:35:06,509
want to stay on where we are and I

3386
02:35:11,300 --> 02:35:08,129
wasn't gonna share anything about this

3387
02:35:14,510 --> 02:35:11,310
but you know you're you know you you

3388
02:35:17,840 --> 02:35:14,520
just mentioned that you have you know

3389
02:35:20,239 --> 02:35:17,850
reached out to to the stars in Elizondo

3390
02:35:24,139 --> 02:35:20,249
to to ask some very important questions

3391
02:35:26,329 --> 02:35:24,149
well on Sunday I spoke with Tom DeLonge

3392
02:35:28,939 --> 02:35:26,339
now I'm not going to get into any

3393
02:35:31,039 --> 02:35:28,949
details of that conversation because

3394
02:35:35,899 --> 02:35:31,049
it's a private phone conversation but he

3395
02:35:40,369 --> 02:35:35,909
did say one thing that I I'm just gonna

3396
02:35:42,829 --> 02:35:40,379
put it out there that he would love to

3397
02:35:46,369 --> 02:35:42,839
come on to fade to black as soon as

3398
02:35:48,469 --> 02:35:46,379
possible to to discuss his new TV series

3399
02:35:51,649 --> 02:35:48,479
on History Channel that's gonna premiere

3400
02:35:53,269 --> 02:35:51,659
next month and and hopefully we'll be

3401
02:35:55,159 --> 02:35:53,279
able to put that together in a couple of

3402
02:35:57,170 --> 02:35:55,169
weeks we'll have Tom on the show to talk

3403
02:36:01,219 --> 02:35:57,180
about the new series that's great but he

3404
02:36:02,869 --> 02:36:01,229
did say one thing to me and I'm sure

3405
02:36:05,269 --> 02:36:02,879
he's not gonna mind me saying this but

3406
02:36:08,090 --> 02:36:05,279
he said you know what but Jimmy I'm not

3407
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:08,100
going to talk about any of the current

3408
02:36:15,349 --> 02:36:11,520
drama that is going down right now in

3409
02:36:17,029 --> 02:36:15,359
social media and and he's referring to

3410
02:36:20,329 --> 02:36:17,039
exactly what we're talking about here

3411
02:36:22,819 --> 02:36:20,339
and he you know and I don't know if it's

3412
02:36:25,159 --> 02:36:22,829
because of what went down on Rogan and

3413
02:36:27,710 --> 02:36:25,169
and ever you know that they want to play

3414
02:36:30,019 --> 02:36:27,720
into the safe zone and just discuss the

3415
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:30,029
new series which I fully understand why

3416
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:33,930
but I think that they they seriously

3417
02:36:39,260 --> 02:36:36,720
need to control their own narrative

3418
02:36:42,170 --> 02:36:39,270
because it has spun out of control and

3419
02:36:43,189 --> 02:36:42,180
the waters are completely muddy and I

3420
02:36:47,809 --> 02:36:43,199
don't think you should take it

3421
02:36:49,609 --> 02:36:47,819
personally John but I think that it got

3422
02:36:50,860 --> 02:36:49,619
away from them a little bit don't you

3423
02:36:53,710 --> 02:36:50,870
think

3424
02:36:56,139 --> 02:36:53,720
well here's what I would say to that in

3425
02:36:58,840 --> 02:36:56,149
that it's not that I am offended that

3426
02:37:01,740 --> 02:36:58,850
they won't talk to me I think that it's

3427
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:01,750
more of a letdown that there are certain

3428
02:37:07,060 --> 02:37:04,160
contradictions and then what I call red

3429
02:37:08,830 --> 02:37:07,070
flags questions that I think need to be

3430
02:37:11,560 --> 02:37:08,840
addressed whether it be to me or you or

3431
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:11,570
whomever I think that these questions

3432
02:37:18,610 --> 02:37:14,570
need to be asked and again there may be

3433
02:37:21,160 --> 02:37:18,620
very easy answers for them on some of

3434
02:37:23,530 --> 02:37:21,170
the inner logistics of how this all went

3435
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:23,540
down but I'll give you I wasn't planning

3436
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:24,800
on doing this but I'll give you a sneak

3437
02:37:29,170 --> 02:37:27,050
peek at what I'm creating right now and

3438
02:37:30,429 --> 02:37:29,180
what I'm creating right now and you and

3439
02:37:35,469 --> 02:37:30,439
I haven't even talked about this off the

3440
02:37:37,810 --> 02:37:35,479
air is a timeline of what we know about

3441
02:37:41,230 --> 02:37:37,820
a tip right down to the sources that

3442
02:37:43,450 --> 02:37:41,240
gave us those little tidbits that we can

3443
02:37:44,770 --> 02:37:43,460
piece together so I know there's a lot

3444
02:37:47,620 --> 02:37:44,780
of bloggers out there that are putting

3445
02:37:49,780 --> 02:37:47,630
together articles I've tried to make

3446
02:37:51,880 --> 02:37:49,790
some sense of it with documents so now

3447
02:37:53,530 --> 02:37:51,890
I'm creating a timeline and I'm going to

3448
02:37:54,639 --> 02:37:53,540
all these sources and I'll be honest

3449
02:37:57,130 --> 02:37:54,649
with you not even talking about

3450
02:37:59,139 --> 02:37:57,140
government stuff like away from FOIA and

3451
02:38:00,429 --> 02:37:59,149
this goes to the heart of people

3452
02:38:02,290 --> 02:38:00,439
attacking me saying what do you think

3453
02:38:04,450 --> 02:38:02,300
the FOIA is everything and the

3454
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:04,460
government's word is gospel know that

3455
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:07,130
that's actually not not it I will take

3456
02:38:12,490 --> 02:38:10,399
just the newspaper articles based on

3457
02:38:16,330 --> 02:38:12,500
their conversations with mr. Elizondo

3458
02:38:18,969 --> 02:38:16,340
and or people from TTS a mr. Ellis on

3459
02:38:20,620 --> 02:38:18,979
those slides that he has done at the

3460
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:20,630
presentations that I've been able to get

3461
02:38:25,060 --> 02:38:23,210
videos of and I'm creating the timeline

3462
02:38:27,310 --> 02:38:25,070
and I can't tell you how many errors I

3463
02:38:27,910 --> 02:38:27,320
keep finding that things don't make

3464
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,920
sense

3465
02:38:32,050 --> 02:38:29,840
not because of what the government told

3466
02:38:34,450 --> 02:38:32,060
me but because of what we have been told

3467
02:38:36,400 --> 02:38:34,460
from these public sources now who's to

3468
02:38:38,920 --> 02:38:36,410
blame for that I don't know but I'm

3469
02:38:42,310 --> 02:38:38,930
throwing it out there and all give me a

3470
02:38:43,660 --> 02:38:42,320
week or two if not earlier but I'll put

3471
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:43,670
this timeline out there and it's all

3472
02:38:48,190 --> 02:38:46,399
sourced and and links to the source

3473
02:38:50,650 --> 02:38:48,200
articles and the source information and

3474
02:38:53,290 --> 02:38:50,660
when you look at it on a timeline you go

3475
02:38:56,139 --> 02:38:53,300
wow no wonder it doesn't make sense so

3476
02:38:58,480 --> 02:38:56,149
again that surface story sounds great

3477
02:39:01,750 --> 02:38:58,490
but when you start looking into what has

3478
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:01,760
been said and the variations of what how

3479
02:39:05,250 --> 02:39:03,250
it's been said and

3480
02:39:07,290 --> 02:39:05,260
yeah if you sprinkle in the government

3481
02:39:09,750 --> 02:39:07,300
documents that we have been able to get

3482
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:09,760
in the form of the the bid solicitation

3483
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:13,690
for what a tip allegedly was which was

3484
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:15,850
the AUSA program when you start putting

3485
02:39:19,410 --> 02:39:17,770
it all on a timeline there's a lot of

3486
02:39:21,780 --> 02:39:19,420
discrepancies that don't make sense and

3487
02:39:22,590 --> 02:39:21,790
so that's just not me trying to put

3488
02:39:25,230 --> 02:39:22,600
anyone down

3489
02:39:27,390 --> 02:39:25,240
that's me using sources that anybody can

3490
02:39:30,090 --> 02:39:27,400
look at trying to put it in a cohesive

3491
02:39:32,130 --> 02:39:30,100
timeline to start to paint a picture and

3492
02:39:35,010 --> 02:39:32,140
it's near impossible you can't do it so

3493
02:39:37,890 --> 02:39:35,020
I have multiple placeholders on this

3494
02:39:41,430 --> 02:39:37,900
timeline for pretty much the same fact

3495
02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:41,440
so why is that you know I mean it should

3496
02:39:45,960 --> 02:39:43,330
all kind of line up together and it

3497
02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:45,970
doesn't and so when you when you really

3498
02:39:51,150 --> 02:39:49,330
dig deep into this it's it's a challenge

3499
02:39:52,830 --> 02:39:51,160
and I'll throw out one other thing that

3500
02:39:54,690 --> 02:39:52,840
I don't know if you're aware of but I

3501
02:39:57,090 --> 02:39:54,700
discovered some documents about what's

3502
02:39:58,770 --> 02:39:57,100
called a project outgrowth and the

3503
02:40:02,070 --> 02:39:58,780
reason why I bring this up is there's

3504
02:40:04,380 --> 02:40:02,080
been a lot of reporting in the media and

3505
02:40:06,750 --> 02:40:04,390
a lot of discussion especially by some

3506
02:40:09,780 --> 02:40:06,760
bloggers that really want to give a lot

3507
02:40:11,340 --> 02:40:09,790
of attention to a tip and and these 38

3508
02:40:14,780 --> 02:40:11,350
reports that the Defense Intelligence

3509
02:40:17,970 --> 02:40:14,790
Agency has released a list on and

3510
02:40:20,910 --> 02:40:17,980
project outgrowth was in the 1970s and

3511
02:40:23,430 --> 02:40:20,920
it was a forward projection research

3512
02:40:26,610 --> 02:40:23,440
program that looked at primarily

3513
02:40:29,370 --> 02:40:26,620
propulsion concepts in a forward-looking

3514
02:40:32,130 --> 02:40:29,380
method out through the next 30 to 40

3515
02:40:34,830 --> 02:40:32,140
years now if you look at what even mr.

3516
02:40:37,650 --> 02:40:34,840
Elizondo is saying a tip was it's nearly

3517
02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:37,660
identical wording and they actually go

3518
02:40:42,620 --> 02:40:40,210
into the paranormal phenomena including

3519
02:40:45,060 --> 02:40:42,630
aircraft propulsion by the use of

3520
02:40:48,450 --> 02:40:45,070
psychokinesis and the power of the mind

3521
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:48,460
and the supernatural and so it's but no

3522
02:40:55,800 --> 02:40:52,000
UFO aspect if you do the math it's about

3523
02:40:59,190 --> 02:40:55,810
36 37 years again forward projecting 30

3524
02:41:01,590 --> 02:40:59,200
to 40 years to when the AUSA bid

3525
02:41:03,690 --> 02:41:01,600
solicitation went online am i saying

3526
02:41:05,940 --> 02:41:03,700
that that's the precursor project no am

3527
02:41:07,710 --> 02:41:05,950
i saying it's identical no what I am

3528
02:41:10,290 --> 02:41:07,720
saying though is history shows us that

3529
02:41:13,230 --> 02:41:10,300
something like a tip if it turns out

3530
02:41:16,050 --> 02:41:13,240
with no UFO connection has existed

3531
02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:16,060
before forward-thinking decades into the

3532
02:41:19,170 --> 02:41:17,050
future

3533
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:19,180
on advanced propulsion concepts going

3534
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:21,760
all the way right up to paranormal

3535
02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:24,399
phenomena including psychokinesis all

3536
02:41:29,190 --> 02:41:27,010
that is documented there's no leak to

3537
02:41:30,990 --> 02:41:29,200
document no whistleblower obtained

3538
02:41:33,270 --> 02:41:31,000
through the Freedom of Information Act

3539
02:41:35,849 --> 02:41:33,280
so my whole point is is that we can't

3540
02:41:38,790 --> 02:41:35,859
get too excited yet about some of these

3541
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:38,800
reports report titles that have been

3542
02:41:43,700 --> 02:41:41,050
reported on because we don't know the

3543
02:41:46,260 --> 02:41:43,710
context of how they were put into a tip

3544
02:41:48,660 --> 02:41:46,270
that's not me trying to be a skeptic

3545
02:41:54,590 --> 02:41:48,670
that's me following the documentation

3546
02:41:58,920 --> 02:41:54,600
and the proven history how did how did

3547
02:42:01,080 --> 02:41:58,930
the funding I don't want to I don't want

3548
02:42:03,469 --> 02:42:01,090
to name names or point fingers and I

3549
02:42:07,170 --> 02:42:03,479
certainly don't want to ruffle feathers

3550
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:07,180
but when you have a twenty two million

3551
02:42:12,840 --> 02:42:10,210
dollar project that's a federal project

3552
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:12,850
that's about to get funded how does that

3553
02:42:16,830 --> 02:42:13,600
get funded

3554
02:42:21,050 --> 02:42:16,840
could I have bidded on that project

3555
02:42:24,420 --> 02:42:21,060
could could the GameChanger Network Inc

3556
02:42:27,320 --> 02:42:24,430
have gotten in on that bid and I could

3557
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:27,330
have put my own team of experts together

3558
02:42:32,280 --> 02:42:29,680
well you would have to meet their

3559
02:42:36,270 --> 02:42:32,290
prerequisites to bid on the contract but

3560
02:42:40,050 --> 02:42:36,280
it was an open bid and that also kind of

3561
02:42:43,590 --> 02:42:40,060
contradicts this whole classified to too

3562
02:42:45,809 --> 02:42:43,600
dark to release to the public the

3563
02:42:48,030 --> 02:42:45,819
official bid announcement went out on a

3564
02:42:50,570 --> 02:42:48,040
public server it was unclassified there

3565
02:42:53,820 --> 02:42:50,580
was no mention of UFOs or paranormal

3566
02:42:55,620 --> 02:42:53,830
phenomena by the way but the AUSA or

3567
02:42:57,990 --> 02:42:55,630
what was considered the precursor

3568
02:42:59,520 --> 02:42:58,000
program to a tip and again this is where

3569
02:43:01,530 --> 02:42:59,530
one of the discrepancies comes in

3570
02:43:03,630 --> 02:43:01,540
actually a couple of them as I create

3571
02:43:05,730 --> 02:43:03,640
this timeline because it depends on who

3572
02:43:08,130 --> 02:43:05,740
you listen to some things it's the same

3573
02:43:11,179 --> 02:43:08,140
program others think it's different but

3574
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:11,189
my whole point is is that anybody any

3575
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:13,930
corporation that's cleared up through a

3576
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:15,250
top-secret level because obviously

3577
02:43:20,250 --> 02:43:17,130
they're dealing with propulsion systems

3578
02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:20,260
advanced aircraft and so on so you're

3579
02:43:22,770 --> 02:43:21,370
going to deal with classified

3580
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:22,780
information that that's a given

3581
02:43:27,540 --> 02:43:25,600
could a bid on that contract what dia

3582
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:27,550
confirmed to me in the last few weeks

3583
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:30,370
the Defense Intelligence Agency

3584
02:43:34,530 --> 02:43:32,890
this had never been out before but I was

3585
02:43:36,060 --> 02:43:34,540
shooting a television series and in the

3586
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:36,070
interest of accuracy I reached out to

3587
02:43:41,820 --> 02:43:38,050
their public affairs office right and I

3588
02:43:44,730 --> 02:43:41,830
said you know I'm working on the series

3589
02:43:47,130 --> 02:43:44,740
I wanted to clarify a few things the

3590
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:47,140
short of it is they said that Bigelow

3591
02:43:53,250 --> 02:43:49,930
Aerospace or bass which was the LLC that

3592
02:43:56,550 --> 02:43:53,260
was under Bigelow Aerospace was the sole

3593
02:43:59,730 --> 02:43:56,560
bidder there was no one else that bid on

3594
02:44:02,040 --> 02:43:59,740
the contract now I saw him say that and

3595
02:44:04,020 --> 02:44:02,050
I thought that can't be true this was a

3596
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:04,030
public bid solicitation I mean in the

3597
02:44:10,170 --> 02:44:07,200
world of cutthroat corporate drama

3598
02:44:12,480 --> 02:44:10,180
you're telling me that for millions of

3599
02:44:15,570 --> 02:44:12,490
dollars on a contract that not a single

3600
02:44:18,450 --> 02:44:15,580
other bidder you know put in a bid for

3601
02:44:20,790 --> 02:44:18,460
this and so I triple-checked with him I

3602
02:44:23,310 --> 02:44:20,800
said so let me just be blunt so you're

3603
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:23,320
saying that this solicitation notice

3604
02:44:28,770 --> 02:44:25,770
goes out for a SAP which again is

3605
02:44:31,950 --> 02:44:28,780
connected data that Bigelow Aerospace

3606
02:44:35,370 --> 02:44:31,960
was the only one that cared to bid on

3607
02:44:38,010 --> 02:44:35,380
this contract and and they confirmed yes

3608
02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:38,020
now that goes against a story that we've

3609
02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:41,170
heard that that potentially Lockheed

3610
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:44,290
Martin had a bid on this contract as

3611
02:44:47,400 --> 02:44:45,850
well right and I'm not trying to throw

3612
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:47,410
anybody under the bus and say you're

3613
02:44:51,240 --> 02:44:48,640
wrong or you're wrong or you're wrong

3614
02:44:54,450 --> 02:44:51,250
but again it's that time line and trying

3615
02:44:57,630 --> 02:44:54,460
to make sense out of what we have been

3616
02:44:59,910 --> 02:44:57,640
told from the media from to the stars

3617
02:45:02,340 --> 02:44:59,920
Academy and from the government as well

3618
02:45:04,410 --> 02:45:02,350
and it's like you have to pick someone

3619
02:45:06,660 --> 02:45:04,420
to believe and it's really hard because

3620
02:45:09,090 --> 02:45:06,670
you can you can find discrepancies with

3621
02:45:12,420 --> 02:45:09,100
all of them and so the bottom line is

3622
02:45:15,210 --> 02:45:12,430
it's that muddy water dilemma who do we

3623
02:45:17,429 --> 02:45:15,220
believe and at what point is the water

3624
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:17,439
so muddy it doesn't matter what comes

3625
02:45:22,139 --> 02:45:20,170
out anymore because at this point who's

3626
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:22,149
gonna believe it there are too many

3627
02:45:27,450 --> 02:45:23,770
contradictions let me see if I'm

3628
02:45:30,599 --> 02:45:27,460
understanding you correctly the original

3629
02:45:36,450 --> 02:45:30,609
New York Times article right December

3630
02:45:40,349 --> 02:45:36,460
17th 2017 in December that that article

3631
02:45:41,899 --> 02:45:40,359
which clearly didn't suggest it stated

3632
02:45:44,269 --> 02:45:41,909
that the government has

3633
02:45:47,179 --> 02:45:44,279
a top secret UFO program and was

3634
02:45:49,039 --> 02:45:47,189
currently investigating UFOs and there

3635
02:45:52,189 --> 02:45:49,049
was a twenty-two million dollar project

3636
02:45:56,619 --> 02:45:52,199
that that top secret project alluded to

3637
02:46:01,789 --> 02:45:56,629
in the New York Times article was

3638
02:46:04,279 --> 02:46:01,799
publicly bidded on program that bass

3639
02:46:07,699 --> 02:46:04,289
grabbed for twenty two million dollars

3640
02:46:08,659 --> 02:46:07,709
am i understanding you correctly that is

3641
02:46:11,329 --> 02:46:08,669
correct

3642
02:46:14,329 --> 02:46:11,339
a couple minor things the New York Times

3643
02:46:15,949 --> 02:46:14,339
never did say top secret Politico said

3644
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,959
secret

3645
02:46:20,169 --> 02:46:17,520
it sounds like semantics but that

3646
02:46:23,599 --> 02:46:20,179
semantic aspect to all of it right sure

3647
02:46:26,779 --> 02:46:23,609
but why it's important is the entire

3648
02:46:29,929 --> 02:46:26,789
program was public it was publicly no

3649
02:46:32,239 --> 02:46:29,939
you know publicly posted and when it was

3650
02:46:34,699 --> 02:46:32,249
reported that Bigelow got it

3651
02:46:37,519 --> 02:46:34,709
and credit to George Knapp for the story

3652
02:46:39,529 --> 02:46:37,529
and he ran it one of the original

3653
02:46:41,239 --> 02:46:39,539
documents that he showed I'm not sure of

3654
02:46:43,789 --> 02:46:41,249
the source of exactly where he got it

3655
02:46:45,709 --> 02:46:43,799
showed ten million and not twenty two

3656
02:46:47,239 --> 02:46:45,719
million so then the question mark is

3657
02:46:50,119 --> 02:46:47,249
well where's the other twelve million

3658
02:46:53,300 --> 02:46:50,129
and you know did the ten million fund

3659
02:46:55,130 --> 02:46:53,310
the thirty eight documents that that the

3660
02:46:56,779 --> 02:46:55,140
Defense Intelligence has released so

3661
02:46:59,719 --> 02:46:56,789
there's a lot of unanswered questions

3662
02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:59,729
there and and when you again read the

3663
02:47:03,109 --> 02:47:01,439
New York Times article then and they're

3664
02:47:06,889 --> 02:47:03,119
saying that primarily twenty two million

3665
02:47:08,749 --> 02:47:06,899
dollars went to Bigelow Aerospace well

3666
02:47:10,609 --> 02:47:08,759
that's not really true because another

3667
02:47:12,289 --> 02:47:10,619
media source says well it was ten

3668
02:47:14,149 --> 02:47:12,299
million so did they have multiple

3669
02:47:16,579 --> 02:47:14,159
contracts or what doesn't so many

3670
02:47:18,499 --> 02:47:16,589
unanswered questions when it comes to

3671
02:47:21,469 --> 02:47:18,509
following the money and where did it go

3672
02:47:22,909 --> 02:47:21,479
and then what happened in 2012 where are

3673
02:47:24,499 --> 02:47:22,919
they going to pull the money from and

3674
02:47:26,959 --> 02:47:24,509
that's another big question mark that

3675
02:47:28,639 --> 02:47:26,969
I've always had with mister Elizondo

3676
02:47:31,519 --> 02:47:28,649
stating that even though the government

3677
02:47:32,989 --> 02:47:31,529
says that it ended in 2012 and we've

3678
02:47:34,130 --> 02:47:32,999
gotten that from the Pentagon and we've

3679
02:47:36,349 --> 02:47:34,140
gotten that from the Defense

3680
02:47:38,869 --> 02:47:36,359
Intelligence Agency they have both said

3681
02:47:40,699 --> 02:47:38,879
the same thing the question mark is were

3682
02:47:43,999 --> 02:47:40,709
how do you fund a program that's been

3683
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:44,009
cancelled so is the Pentagon lying as

3684
02:47:51,289 --> 02:47:48,560
the DIA line or how are they shifting

3685
02:47:53,199 --> 02:47:51,299
potentially hundreds of thousands

3686
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:53,209
millions I mean what's the question mark

3687
02:47:58,090 --> 02:47:55,010
into funding

3688
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:58,100
a tip for another seven years he's

3689
02:48:02,530 --> 02:47:59,359
saying that it's still going on today

3690
02:48:05,679 --> 02:48:02,540
potentially with a different name so you

3691
02:48:07,320 --> 02:48:05,689
know it's a it's a very hard thing to

3692
02:48:11,080 --> 02:48:07,330
track down when you're getting

3693
02:48:13,719 --> 02:48:11,090
variations of the same story okay I'm

3694
02:48:17,130 --> 02:48:13,729
trying to follow this and I'm yeah I'm

3695
02:48:20,860 --> 02:48:17,140
starting to challenge it is now okay so

3696
02:48:23,469 --> 02:48:20,870
I'm trying to for transparency here and

3697
02:48:27,340 --> 02:48:23,479
for my own mind I need to understand

3698
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:27,350
what is going on here was Elizondo

3699
02:48:33,210 --> 02:48:31,279
sitting in an office working for OSD

3700
02:48:35,320 --> 02:48:33,220
inside of the Pentagon or a

3701
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:35,330
government-owned building in Washington

3702
02:48:43,240 --> 02:48:39,920
DC running a tip or was a tip and a SAP

3703
02:48:47,170 --> 02:48:43,250
were these was this a private venture

3704
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:47,180
through bass and was Elizondo indeed not

3705
02:48:53,139 --> 02:48:49,850
in Washington DC but potentially working

3706
02:48:55,690 --> 02:48:53,149
out of Las Vegas I don't understand

3707
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:55,700
what's going on here anymore you and me

3708
02:49:00,670 --> 02:48:58,160
both and that that not to catch up but

3709
02:49:03,219 --> 02:49:00,680
that's a big unanswered question is what

3710
02:49:05,260 --> 02:49:03,229
what was a tip you know I mean did it

3711
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:05,270
tie back to AUSA and was it contracted

3712
02:49:11,260 --> 02:49:08,240
out because if it's contracted out then

3713
02:49:13,450 --> 02:49:11,270
yes you'll have oversight but you don't

3714
02:49:14,980 --> 02:49:13,460
necessarily have a guy who's working 24

3715
02:49:17,139 --> 02:49:14,990
hours a day on that particular project

3716
02:49:19,450 --> 02:49:17,149
and the Pentagon right when it has been

3717
02:49:21,519 --> 02:49:19,460
contracted out to a private contractor

3718
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:21,529
so it all is going to come down to what

3719
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:25,040
the contract stipulated when it came to

3720
02:49:28,540 --> 02:49:27,200
a tip I mean here's another kind of

3721
02:49:30,099 --> 02:49:28,550
weird one and I don't have an answer to

3722
02:49:32,190 --> 02:49:30,109
you but I'll throw it out that not a lot

3723
02:49:37,679 --> 02:49:32,200
of people talk about the New York Times

3724
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:37,689
reported that it was 2007 to 2012 that

3725
02:49:44,170 --> 02:49:42,319
that a tip was around when you listen

3726
02:49:46,420 --> 02:49:44,180
and and mr. Elizondo was the source for

3727
02:49:48,280 --> 02:49:46,430
that I don't think that that is disputed

3728
02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:48,290
if anybody wants to disagree please

3729
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:50,930
please please I will correct myself but

3730
02:49:54,280 --> 02:49:52,850
I believe it's common knowledge that mr.

3731
02:49:56,410 --> 02:49:54,290
Elizondo worked with the New York Times

3732
02:49:59,500 --> 02:49:56,420
and the three authors and created that

3733
02:50:01,599 --> 02:49:59,510
timeline yet if AUSA is connected to a

3734
02:50:04,540 --> 02:50:01,609
tip the public solicitation notice

3735
02:50:06,400 --> 02:50:04,550
didn't go up until August of 2008 so

3736
02:50:08,390 --> 02:50:06,410
that that's a huge discrepancy right

3737
02:50:11,301 --> 02:50:08,400
there and then if you listen to mr.

3738
02:50:13,490 --> 02:50:11,311
those presentations he was saying ah sap

3739
02:50:15,890 --> 02:50:13,500
came around and then when it kind of

3740
02:50:18,501 --> 02:50:15,900
turned more towards the if I understand

3741
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:18,511
them correctly turn more towards the UFO

3742
02:50:23,810 --> 02:50:21,210
aspect to all of this the name was

3743
02:50:28,850 --> 02:50:23,820
changed to a tip and then in 2010 went

3744
02:50:32,871 --> 02:50:28,860
to OSD well that also contradicts it

3745
02:50:34,970 --> 02:50:32,881
because a tip couldn't be around in 2007

3746
02:50:36,711 --> 02:50:34,980
so what happened with the New York Times

3747
02:50:40,070 --> 02:50:36,721
article including all of the other

3748
02:50:43,251 --> 02:50:40,080
places that ran that a tip was around in

3749
02:50:44,421 --> 02:50:43,261
2007 if they want to argue well well you

3750
02:50:45,470 --> 02:50:44,431
know that was a more general statement

3751
02:50:48,470 --> 02:50:45,480
it was awesome

3752
02:50:51,890 --> 02:50:48,480
okay the solicitation didn't go up until

3753
02:50:53,541 --> 02:50:51,900
August of 2008 so what happened and and

3754
02:50:55,850 --> 02:50:53,551
if you're confused with all of that

3755
02:50:58,581 --> 02:50:55,860
trust me so am i I've been investigating

3756
02:51:00,560 --> 02:50:58,591
it and it just doesn't make sense so

3757
02:51:02,450 --> 02:51:00,570
I've always disagreed with the Pentagon

3758
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:02,460
statement that it was the same program I

3759
02:51:06,621 --> 02:51:04,650
never bought that and I think I said

3760
02:51:08,421 --> 02:51:06,631
that on your show before and written

3761
02:51:11,091 --> 02:51:08,431
about it right I never thought it was

3762
02:51:14,180 --> 02:51:11,101
the same program but you can't now

3763
02:51:16,430 --> 02:51:14,190
mister Elizondo stated that a sap was

3764
02:51:19,220 --> 02:51:16,440
first a tip came second okay

3765
02:51:22,490 --> 02:51:19,230
Asif was established as a concept in

3766
02:51:23,480 --> 02:51:22,500
2008 in August so how can a tip start in

3767
02:51:25,430 --> 02:51:23,490
2007

3768
02:51:29,631 --> 02:51:25,440
if mr. Elizondo said a tip came after us

3769
02:51:33,020 --> 02:51:29,641
app confused much so am i again may have

3770
02:51:33,831 --> 02:51:33,030
an easy answer but I I can't I can't

3771
02:51:38,930 --> 02:51:33,841
figure it out

3772
02:51:44,001 --> 02:51:38,940
isn't that a basic question that should

3773
02:51:48,291 --> 02:51:44,011
be asked of Luis or shouldn't be a basic

3774
02:51:52,011 --> 02:51:48,301
statement from Luis as to where he was

3775
02:51:53,660 --> 02:51:52,021
employed right I mean well you know and

3776
02:51:57,921 --> 02:51:53,670
in fairness to him he has stated where

3777
02:51:59,720 --> 02:51:57,931
he is employed and that was confirmed no

3778
02:52:02,240 --> 02:51:59,730
I'm talking about physically where did

3779
02:52:04,700 --> 02:52:02,250
he drive to work every day well what I

3780
02:52:06,860 --> 02:52:04,710
understand the Pentagon right that

3781
02:52:09,320 --> 02:52:06,870
doesn't make any sense so he was over

3782
02:52:13,551 --> 02:52:09,330
select it that doesn't make any sense of

3783
02:52:17,320 --> 02:52:13,561
if a tip and hopf were being funded

3784
02:52:20,180 --> 02:52:17,330
through bass out of Las Vegas and

3785
02:52:22,029 --> 02:52:20,190
correct and this is the next point those

3786
02:52:26,049 --> 02:52:22,039
38 reports that

3787
02:52:29,469 --> 02:52:26,059
written right r38 reports 38 theories I

3788
02:52:31,919 --> 02:52:29,479
should say actually well there were

3789
02:52:34,359 --> 02:52:31,929
reports in fairness yeah okay all right

3790
02:52:39,909 --> 02:52:34,369
it's great science fiction it's it's

3791
02:52:44,349 --> 02:52:39,919
amazing stuff but did he have oversight

3792
02:52:49,149 --> 02:52:44,359
over those reports or with the reports

3793
02:52:52,179 --> 02:52:49,159
were directed by by bass I don't

3794
02:52:55,059 --> 02:52:52,189
understand that part and okay well this

3795
02:52:59,079 --> 02:52:55,069
and I have an answer to that and this is

3796
02:53:01,629 --> 02:52:59,089
where this is where dr. Hale put off and

3797
02:53:04,149 --> 02:53:01,639
his lecture in Las Vegas comes into play

3798
02:53:05,889 --> 02:53:04,159
that according to dr. putt-off he said

3799
02:53:08,739 --> 02:53:05,899
that he is the one that made the call

3800
02:53:11,169 --> 02:53:08,749
and shelled out the 38 contracts to

3801
02:53:13,869 --> 02:53:11,179
write those 38 reports that's him saying

3802
02:53:16,389 --> 02:53:13,879
that not me so if that's the case and he

3803
02:53:18,129 --> 02:53:16,399
says as a contractor and I'm a little

3804
02:53:19,119 --> 02:53:18,139
bit paraphrasing so I want to be fair

3805
02:53:21,959 --> 02:53:19,129
here I'm not going to read the whole

3806
02:53:24,249 --> 02:53:21,969
quote to you but I do invite you to

3807
02:53:26,109 --> 02:53:24,259
whomever is listening to look up the

3808
02:53:28,569 --> 02:53:26,119
transcript because there are transcripts

3809
02:53:31,179 --> 02:53:28,579
out there of what his presentation was

3810
02:53:34,359 --> 02:53:31,189
in Vegas but paraphrasing that he was

3811
02:53:36,309 --> 02:53:34,369
the one that picked the 38 reports as a

3812
02:53:38,379 --> 02:53:36,319
subcontractor okay so we know that

3813
02:53:41,889 --> 02:53:38,389
that's bass which means that bass made

3814
02:53:43,929 --> 02:53:41,899
the call so with that being said now we

3815
02:53:48,519 --> 02:53:43,939
have the subcontractor making the call

3816
02:53:50,649 --> 02:53:48,529
of what those reports were now look at

3817
02:53:53,319 --> 02:53:50,659
all the media reports and I believe it

3818
02:53:55,449 --> 02:53:53,329
was January of this year that broke when

3819
02:53:57,549 --> 02:53:55,459
we all got the document under FOIA and

3820
02:54:00,609 --> 02:53:57,559
Nick Pope got it through the

3821
02:54:02,289 --> 02:54:00,619
congressional affairs office

3822
02:54:04,239 --> 02:54:02,299
all right yeah the card excuse me the

3823
02:54:05,439 --> 02:54:04,249
Corporate Affairs Office for DIA so in

3824
02:54:09,010 --> 02:54:05,449
essence it's like the public affairs

3825
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:09,020
office and so he got it emailed he was

3826
02:54:13,269 --> 02:54:11,359
credit to him was the first one that got

3827
02:54:15,699 --> 02:54:13,279
it digitally he put it out on Twitter

3828
02:54:18,789 --> 02:54:15,709
and then there was a media firestorm

3829
02:54:22,359 --> 02:54:18,799
about publicizing it but here's here's

3830
02:54:26,289 --> 02:54:22,369
where I blame no one but the media is

3831
02:54:27,819 --> 02:54:26,299
that they started saying the DIA is the

3832
02:54:30,429 --> 02:54:27,829
one that essentially created these

3833
02:54:33,729 --> 02:54:30,439
reports that's technically not really

3834
02:54:34,881 --> 02:54:33,739
true because they shelled that contract

3835
02:54:37,071 --> 02:54:34,891
out to a private

3836
02:54:40,671 --> 02:54:37,081
contractor and according to dr. putt-off

3837
02:54:43,371 --> 02:54:40,681
in his in his presentation he was the

3838
02:54:46,461 --> 02:54:43,381
one that made the call through bass now

3839
02:54:48,440 --> 02:54:46,471
that's not saying everybody is bad here

3840
02:54:51,081 --> 02:54:48,450
or wrong I'm just saying we have to be

3841
02:54:54,411 --> 02:54:51,091
accurate so it's not accurate to say the

3842
02:54:57,111 --> 02:54:54,421
DIA is upper-echelon said we want a

3843
02:55:00,411 --> 02:54:57,121
report on a warp drive right we want a

3844
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:00,421
report on the Drake Equation we want X Y

3845
02:55:07,251 --> 02:55:03,690
Z we can't say that yet did they ask dr.

3846
02:55:09,711 --> 02:55:07,261
put off to do those maybe and dr. put

3847
02:55:10,310 --> 02:55:09,721
off didn't go into those details and

3848
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:10,320
that's fine

3849
02:55:14,690 --> 02:55:12,690
that would be a great answer but at this

3850
02:55:17,001 --> 02:55:14,700
point it's premature and the way that

3851
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:17,011
that presentation unfolded very much

3852
02:55:21,081 --> 02:55:18,570
seemed like he made the call through

3853
02:55:24,321 --> 02:55:21,091
bass and so it's inaccurate on the

3854
02:55:27,171 --> 02:55:24,331
media's side to start saying dia did

3855
02:55:29,480 --> 02:55:27,181
this that's not technically true they

3856
02:55:33,111 --> 02:55:29,490
shelled out the contract but then the

3857
02:55:35,001 --> 02:55:33,121
question is who overlooked it because I

3858
02:55:37,011 --> 02:55:35,011
think mr. elizondo's time frame came

3859
02:55:39,591 --> 02:55:37,021
later he wasn't involved since day one

3860
02:55:41,470 --> 02:55:39,601
so those reports that we saw and I have

3861
02:55:45,621 --> 02:55:41,480
this confirmed in writing from DIA

3862
02:55:49,190 --> 02:55:45,631
mostly came in fiscal year 2009 and then

3863
02:55:52,041 --> 02:55:49,200
the rest in 2010 and then 2010 a tip was

3864
02:55:54,381 --> 02:55:52,051
transferred out of the DIA into OSD and

3865
02:55:56,690 --> 02:55:54,391
I believe that that's where mr. Elizondo

3866
02:55:59,121 --> 02:55:56,700
has come into play I don't think he was

3867
02:56:02,060 --> 02:55:59,131
involved during the DIA years I've

3868
02:56:04,791 --> 02:56:02,070
scoured his transcripts I have yet to be

3869
02:56:10,041 --> 02:56:04,801
able to really confirm if he's ever said

3870
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:10,051
you know in January of 2010 I joined a

3871
02:56:14,690 --> 02:56:13,200
tip at OSD I don't have an exact date if

3872
02:56:17,331 --> 02:56:14,700
anybody knows it please please let me

3873
02:56:19,310 --> 02:56:17,341
know I mean I'm not stating that he's

3874
02:56:22,011 --> 02:56:19,320
never said it I just have never found it

3875
02:56:24,321 --> 02:56:22,021
so there's no timestamp of when he

3876
02:56:26,831 --> 02:56:24,331
started on the a tip program I can only

3877
02:56:30,501 --> 02:56:26,841
assume is when it transferred over to

3878
02:56:32,511 --> 02:56:30,511
OSD and so you've got a lot of miss

3879
02:56:34,970 --> 02:56:32,521
reporting by the media I blame the media

3880
02:56:38,060 --> 02:56:34,980
more than anything else when it comes to

3881
02:56:40,281 --> 02:56:38,070
bad UFO reporting I think it's awful

3882
02:56:44,211 --> 02:56:40,291
not only just today to like everything

3883
02:56:46,911 --> 02:56:44,221
and so when you again dig beyond the

3884
02:56:48,341 --> 02:56:46,921
surface story and you start seeing these

3885
02:56:52,301 --> 02:56:48,351
questions and these describe

3886
02:56:55,001 --> 02:56:52,311
we have to be comfortable to ask the

3887
02:56:57,131 --> 02:56:55,011
question and in the same sentence I'd

3888
02:57:00,280 --> 02:56:57,141
like to say they meaning to the Stars

3889
02:57:02,440 --> 02:57:00,290
has to be comfortable to address that

3890
02:57:04,541 --> 02:57:02,450
drama there's nothing wrong with asking

3891
02:57:07,060 --> 02:57:04,551
a question because I think the majority

3892
02:57:08,890 --> 02:57:07,070
of this is unclassified if it's all

3893
02:57:10,660 --> 02:57:08,900
classified and they can't talk about it

3894
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:10,670
then they have to denounce what Senator

3895
02:57:16,180 --> 02:57:13,130
Harry Reid said that the 80 plus percent

3896
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:16,190
is unclassified you know so there's

3897
02:57:19,751 --> 02:57:17,840
that's where that discrepancy comes in

3898
02:57:23,051 --> 02:57:19,761
you can't hide behind the shroud of

3899
02:57:25,060 --> 02:57:23,061
secrecy when you have a former senator

3900
02:57:27,070 --> 02:57:25,070
who's an advocate for what you're doing

3901
02:57:29,470 --> 02:57:27,080
stating that 80 percent of the program

3902
02:57:31,541 --> 02:57:29,480
is unclassified right those things don't

3903
02:57:34,060 --> 02:57:31,551
go hand in hand so I think that they

3904
02:57:37,330 --> 02:57:34,070
shouldn't be afraid to address some of

3905
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:37,340
that drama because there are phenomenal

3906
02:57:41,950 --> 02:57:40,250
questions out there that not only I have

3907
02:57:44,020 --> 02:57:41,960
but but others as well I'm not the only

3908
02:57:46,060 --> 02:57:44,030
one and we have to look at these

3909
02:57:47,921 --> 02:57:46,070
discrepancies and figure it out they may

3910
02:57:50,881 --> 02:57:47,931
have easy answers but until they're

3911
02:57:53,470 --> 02:57:50,891
willing to look at it and address it

3912
02:57:57,430 --> 02:57:53,480
there's gonna be a lot of speculation

3913
02:57:59,350 --> 02:57:57,440
and I hate speculating John we here we

3914
02:58:01,180 --> 02:57:59,360
are it's going to be two years coming up

3915
02:58:04,030 --> 02:58:01,190
in December since all of this happened

3916
02:58:07,301 --> 02:58:04,040
and we thought that we were getting

3917
02:58:10,421 --> 02:58:07,311
answers back in December 2017 and it was

3918
02:58:15,730 --> 02:58:10,431
a brand-new day and here we are rolling

3919
02:58:16,511 --> 02:58:15,740
through 2019 with more questions than we

3920
02:58:18,580 --> 02:58:16,521
had before

3921
02:58:22,570 --> 02:58:18,590
absolutely insane situation we find

3922
02:58:24,461 --> 02:58:22,580
ourselves in well the new boy well go

3923
02:58:26,650 --> 02:58:24,471
ahead go ahead 15 side don't really

3924
02:58:28,930 --> 02:58:26,660
quick cause yeah I know you're coming up

3925
02:58:31,360 --> 02:58:28,940
to the end here all I would say is last

3926
02:58:33,310 --> 02:58:31,370
week's victory is a victory for everyone

3927
02:58:35,950 --> 02:58:33,320
interested in the truth when it comes to

3928
02:58:38,110 --> 02:58:35,960
the FOIA and the fact that OSD accepted

3929
02:58:40,780 --> 02:58:38,120
two of my FOIA Appeals and they are now

3930
02:58:42,700 --> 02:58:40,790
processing that request properly I think

3931
02:58:44,430 --> 02:58:42,710
that is a victory even if you disagree

3932
02:58:48,220 --> 02:58:44,440
with my interpretation of what a tip was

3933
02:58:50,801 --> 02:58:48,230
it that should be what is on everyone's

3934
02:58:53,200 --> 02:58:50,811
mind not to pat me on the back I don't

3935
02:58:56,440 --> 02:58:53,210
care about that I'm talking about in the

3936
02:58:58,841 --> 02:58:56,450
sense of the FOIA part of this search

3937
02:59:00,970 --> 02:58:58,851
that's a win for everyone and I hope

3938
02:59:01,850 --> 02:59:00,980
people realize that but even though I

3939
02:59:04,820 --> 02:59:01,860
have a

3940
02:59:07,180 --> 02:59:04,830
I'm still out there pushing for the real

3941
02:59:10,130 --> 02:59:07,190
evidence to either support or

3942
02:59:12,801 --> 02:59:10,140
potentially even deny what some of these

3943
02:59:15,560 --> 02:59:12,811
claims really are thank you John and the

3944
02:59:19,220 --> 02:59:15,570
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3945
02:59:21,470 --> 02:59:19,230
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3946
02:59:22,880 --> 02:59:21,480
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3947
02:59:25,160 --> 02:59:22,890
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3948
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3949
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3967
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3968
03:00:12,530 --> 03:00:10,290
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3970
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